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not everyone agrees that unions are beneficial

so those who are against right-to-work are saying if i understand right - that since such people are wrong its ok to force them to join a union for their own good

sounds like good old fashioned paternalism to me

Kayla wrote:not everyone agrees that unions are beneficial

so those who are against right-to-work are saying if i understand right - that since such people are wrong its ok to force them to join a union for their own good

sounds like good old fashioned paternalism to me

Then why not self-representation?

John K wrote:

Kayla wrote:not everyone agrees that unions are beneficial

so those who are against right-to-work are saying if i understand right - that since such people are wrong its ok to force them to join a union for their own good

sounds like good old fashioned paternalism to me

Then why not self-representation?

Strength in numbers. One person asks for more and they get the sack.

chaz wyman wrote:Strength in numbers. One person asks for more and they get the sack.

And why shouldn't somebody get sacked in a free market? Strength in numbers? Sure, if you're talking about extortion!

One way to protest these union outrageous actions is to avoid buying goods and services from union workers. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... chior?pg=1

I recently bought a cane from a Minneapolis company. I prefer to buy from a locally-owned business whenever I can. https://thehurrycane.com/

I'm very pleased with my purchase. The cane is well-designed, sturdy, and functions as advertised.

And, significantly, it was assembled in China by skilled NON-UNION communist workers!

I think most people make purchase decisions based on a combination of price, value and converience.

bobevenson wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:Strength in numbers. One person asks for more and they get the sack.

And why shouldn't somebody get sacked in a free market? Strength in numbers? Sure, if you're talking about extortion!

The boss can always have the freedom to sack the entire unionised workforce too.
I fail to see your problem. The free market generated the unions.
You don't get the same freedom in China. Why don't you start a business there?

chaz wyman wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:Strength in numbers. One person asks for more and they get the sack.

And why shouldn't somebody get sacked in a free market? Strength in numbers? Sure, if you're talking about extortion!

I fail to see your problem. The free market generated the unions.

The free market did not generate the unions, the government did by granting them the right to force companies to negotiate with them.

unless you yourself is some really hard-core guy at bargaining then unions are quite beneficial all over, both in terms of working hours, working conditions and wages

The Voice of Time wrote:unless you yourself is some really hard-core guy at bargaining then unions are quite beneficial all over, both in terms of working hours, working conditions and wages

People bargain every day in making economic decisions, and they don't do it by putting a gun to somebody's head.

bobevenson wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: I fail to see your problem. The free market generated the unions.

The free market did not generate the unions, the government did by granting them the right to force companies to negotiate with them.

Oh wait. Free Unions emerged because they fought for rights in the DEMOCRATIC system, numbnuts.
Communists countries don't have free unions.

The Voice of Time wrote:unless you yourself is some really hard-core guy at bargaining then unions are quite beneficial all over, both in terms of working hours, working conditions and wages

And because they raise expectations, wages in non-union situations are also made higher.

chaz wyman wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: I fail to see your problem. The free market generated the unions.

The free market did not generate the unions, the government did by granting them the right to force companies to negotiate with them.

Oh wait. Free Unions emerged because they fought for rights in the DEMOCRATIC system, numbnuts.
Communists countries don't have free unions.

Again, the free market didn't generate unions, oppressive socialist governments did. I don't understand why you can't get that through your thick skull.

bobevenson wrote: Again, the free market didn't generate unions, oppressive socialist governments did. I don't understand why you can't get that through your thick skull.

Unions have existed quite long. They originated through socialist movements yes, because it is a socialist phenomena to run collective bargaining, the strength of the masses, instead of the ability of a few individuals to exploit weaknesses in others.

Do you think it is so bad to have the ability to choose somebody to fight for you where you yourself are at a disadvantage?

The Voice of Time wrote:unless you yourself is some really hard-core guy at bargaining then unions are quite beneficial all over, both in terms of working hours, working conditions and wages

if they are so beneficial why is membership mandatory?