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Harry Baird wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:48 pm While we're criticising one another over semantics...

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:02 pm Notice the anagram? (two words combined)

...dare I point out that "two words combined" is not the definition of "anagram"...?...

(I hope I still get to hang out with the cool theists after that...)

Duh! Hence Y I pointed out the fact that I combined two words...!! Yes I knew that. Yes, I'll talk to Jesus and the other sages I'm sure they will let you hang out with us you smart arse.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:31 pm Does 'god' operate in Nature? Say in a world where no men are? How? Why?

How in the world could you exclude God from Nature if God's very being is the living foundation from which Nature emerges?

Your questions to Harry Baird make no sense, because they seemed to be based on the same sort of nonsense in thinking that there's no need for the apple tree to be involved in the creation of apples.

Or, better yet, there is no need for the fully-fruitioned watermelon to be involved in the creation of what lies on the inside of itself...



In other words, if God...

(metaphorically represented by the fully-fruitioned watermelon)

...did not exist, then neither would the universe (and all that we associate with the word "Nature") exist.

Just to be clear, the fully-fruitioned watermelon is a metaphorical representation of God's fully-fruitioned (incorporeal) mind in which God's central consciousness (her "I Am-ness") is the living, self-aware Agent who...

(in the context of her eternal life)

...has reached such a supreme level of control over her own mental holography that she was able to shape it into a setting from which her very own offspring - (us) - could then effloresce from the very fabric of the setting itself - from the living fabric of her very own personal being.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:31 pm There is no need of a god who intervenes in Nature.

Well (and setting aside what I already mentioned above), I suggest that if it wasn't for God "intervening in Nature" in a way that helped the early hominids to awaken from their ape level of consciousness into the human level of consciousness,...

(metaphorically represented by the Eden mythology where after the knowledge-bestowing fruit was eaten [fruit that was conveniently provided by God herself], God proclaimed mankind to now be "...one of us...")

...then we'd still be swinging from the branches of jungle trees...



And in that case (at least according to Biblical mythology), we'd not be "...one of the us's..." that God has proclaimed humans to be.
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attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:00 pm Duh! Hence Y I pointed out the fact that I combined two words...!!

I get it now, I get it. Had a bit of a lapse there!

Harry Baird wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:49 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:00 pm Duh! Hence Y I pointed out the fact that I combined two words...!!

I get it now, I get it. Had a bit of a lapse there!

Ha! Sorry mate, just couldn't think of a way to word it in consideration that it didn't conform to the definition of the term anagram.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:02 pm CHESS JURIST & THE PASSAGE OF TIME



Notice the anagram? (two words combined)

CHESS JURIST & THE PASSAGE OF TIME
(JESUS CHRIST & THE PASSAGE OF TIME)

My apologies. While I did take some mushrooms once it must be apparent that the dose was too small. I cannot therefore ascend to the height where the meaning of your mystical diagram presents itself, as an ostrich would on 5th Avenue at rush hour, fully and unambiguously comprehensible.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:06 pm
Alexis, have you found a fault with my assertion that I am a Christian?

Perish the thought! My larger doubt is that I might not even exist!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:01 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:02 pm Notice the anagram? (two words combined)

CHESS JURIST & THE PASSAGE OF TIME
(JESUS CHRIST & THE PASSAGE OF TIME)

My apologies. While I did take some mushrooms once it must be apparent that the dose was too small. I cannot therefore ascend to the height where the meaning of your mystical diagram presents itself, as an ostrich would on 5th Avenue at rush hour, fully and unambiguously comprehensible.

What's taking a psychedelic got to do with anything in relation to my art and what it may or may not represent?'

I'd think you must have taken way too much by way of those mushrooms if you think there is wisdom to be found in an image purporting a chap to have many limbs..

You still don't understand Y Jesus the Christ did what he did do U...and I find it extremely interesting that in this massive thread, I have yet to stumble upon that particular field of enquiry.

U think Christianity is pretty much a big joke don't ya? That your answers can be found by reading MORE BOOKS!!

I'm glad the discussion is stirred up. Philosophers should keep stirring their pots, yes?
As for me, I'm going to go stir elsewhere in different ways for a while.

Here's one last attempt to respond to the various questions that have been posed to me:
Since I think separation is a human illusion (many people think this)...
and the term and concept of 'God' typically represents some sort of separation,
what is a word and concept that do not represent separation?
I'm using the word 'divine' as I think it represents a state/quality/essence broader than that of being human.
If you can use the word 'God' and avoid thinking of some kind of separation or separate entity, great.
If you want to think of a separate entity (and give it personality traits, opinions, and agendas), great. I don't.
I think this divine essence (I'm speaking of) is throughout all (all seemingly living and non-living things)
and yes, it is aware (without all the human 'conditions' and 'drivers').
I feel no need to know more than that to live and appreciate this life experience.
Simply being open to seeing, and aware of, the inherent divine essence all throughout
is like stepping into a flowing stream that moves and manifests beyond the efforts of plodding along as a human.
Experiencing this changes so much.

I wish you all the best. Bye, for now.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:01 pm.

AJ ..as you know I have a temper where my nerves need be tempered from tampering.

I find it astounding that people will read esoteric literature from every corner of the world and still not comprehend a rather simple answer to their initial quest.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:17 pm
I wish you all the best. Bye, for now.

::: devastated :::

Wait! WAIT! I LOVE YOU!!!

I’m willing to join the NewAge! I’ll even adopt different clothes! I can harmonize! I swear I can harmonize.

Oh god. She’s gone ….

::: sheer devastation :::

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:14 pmU think Christianity is pretty much a big joke don't ya? That your answers can be found by reading MORE BOOKS!!

That is incorrect on both counts.

An additional thought:

In coitus (speaking here of the male) the object is to maintain an erection.

On forums such as this the object is to maintain one’s sense of humor.

Words of practical wisdom.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:04 pm An additional thought:

In coitus (speaking here of the male) the object is to maintain an erection.

I think it's really useful there to clarify that you're speaking of the male.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:17 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:04 pm An additional thought:

In coitus (speaking here of the male) the object is to maintain an erection.

I think it's really useful there to clarify that you're speaking of the male.

Let’s leave it that.

Harry Baird wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:45 pm I don't see a meaningful difference in this context between humans and other life forms, so, my answer has to be that the extent to which God operates in a world with humans in it is not meaningfully different to the extent to which God operates in a world without humans (but with other conscious beings) in it.

OK. So in the world without humans, and with god, how does god operate in respect to the (say) ethical choices of animals? I presented some natural history clips a few pages back. That pack of Orcas attacking, tiring out, then killing and eating the Minke Whale.

Were the Orcas wrong ethically? Surely god was there and saw what was happening. How could/should he have intervened?

God didn’t, right? So in your dual world What power in the dual pole had dominion there? Was it, is it, Satan?

What you are proposing is that god is there in our human world (somehow) but refuses to act, or is too powerless to act?

All beings are ‘conscious’ in some degree, right? but could not conceive of any other possibility for life and life’s process than that of ‘the natural world’ — so how do you conceive god would act (intervene) in the ideal world you visualize? In a world of substantial god-involvement — again — how would god act?