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Another factor separating right from left politics is disgust tolerance levels.
Right wingers usually have a lower tolerance for toxins....low disgust threshold.
Left wingers have a lower fear threshold.

So they explain right wind politics as a product of fear, taking their own as an example, when it has nothing to do with fear.
Right wing individuals have a high fear threshold. Their intolerance is based on disgust.

Pistolero wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:05 pm

AI or not, it’s gibberish.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:00 pm

- He received his due process.
- His due process ordered him out of the country.
- Then, because his criminal organization, MS13, was declared by the Plenary Power of the US Executive branch of govt. to be a foreign terrorist organization, Garcia petitioned for US protection from a rival criminal organization that no longer exists. He probably pulled the name out of a hat while grasping for straws.
- Garcia was not seeking protection from a foreign government.
- This resulted in a temporary stay of his deportation, by an immigration judge.
- Cops are not legally obligated to act as bodyguards for citizens, and the United States is not obligated to function as a bodyguard for a foreign terrorist.
- Garcia’s temporary stay of deportation did not eradicate the due process judgment that determined he is not citizenship material.
- Now that he has left his American job, perhaps a citizen will have a chance at the job he stole from Americans.

- Any other illegal is due the same, equal due process as Garcia ... via an immigration judge that is exercising the plenary power of the executive branch.

- If Garcia should manage to break out of prison and return to The Promised Land, or be released to stir up trouble in the US, he will be whisked away within a fortnight, sans millions.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:57 am The George Floyd riots / The January 6th riots. They are similar manifestations.

Huh?

No they aren’t! Nor are they as irrational as you suggest. And conflating them with MAGA passivity in apparent acquiescence with Trump’s constitution defying power grab is, well, perverse.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:28 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:57 am The George Floyd riots / The January 6th riots. They are similar manifestations.

Huh?

No they aren’t! Nor are they as irrational as you suggest. And conflating them with MAGA passivity in apparent acquiescence with Trump’s constitution defying power grab is, well, perverse.

A similar “acquiescence” by the Left/Progressive political power faction during the George Floyd events occurred.

A given power-system generally always allows its own lawless violations (justifies them) because of service to a higher good.

Masses of people are always inclined to irrational manipulation.

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Every illegal is due the same due process ... as defined by the executive branch, even when that due process is mass deportation ... reference POTUS Eisenhower's fast mass deportation.

It's constitutional.

Differing opinions are the result of manipulation.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:20 am Indeed, that is the prison he's being held in, if you look up "CECOT human rights violations" you will quickly realize why he is going to be a very rich man when he is back in America and has sued the government. He's going to win so many millions of dollars in compensation.

Are you a betting man?

I wager: Sr. Garcia will never return or be returned to the US.

He will never “be back” and therefore will never sue.

His wife (a US citizen) could very well sue and has a dream-case that I’ll bet is already being put together.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:44 pm

Gaming and corrupting the system has become an industry in a culture where intelligence is defined as ... what you can get away with. That's why tort reform is the secret that no one notices, it's kept quiet.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:28 pm And conflating them with MAGA passivity in apparent acquiescence with Trump’s constitution defying power grab is, well, perverse.

Your sense of what is perverse is linked to your political and social commitments. It is important to realize this.

My view is that the nation America is in an identity and definition crisis. It is as if two opposed versions of what America is and should be are involved in mortal struggle.

You must remember that at another juncture of social and political crisis the Constitution was suspended for a time (Habeas Corpus Suspension Act).

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:55 am If you know what due process is, then that, that is what is due.

According to the Clearwater Legal Group, which is apparently sympathetic, and on your constitution, what they have is the following rights:

"Undocumented immigrants have the right to be informed of the charges against them, the right to an attorney, and the right to present evidence in their defense." They also have a right to exemption from "unreasonable searches and seizures," whatever "unreasonable" is interpreted to be. The Dems are desperately attempting to decorate this list with "rights" that the constitution does not offer, such as "the right to be with family," or "the right to have a pathway to citizenship" or "the right to vote in elections."

As for the Supreme Court, here's a summary by a Leftie advocate, for your information: “The critical point of this ruling is that the Supreme Court said individuals must be given due process to challenge their removal under the Alien Enemies Act,” Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Immigrants’ Rights Project, who is leading the lawsuit, wrote in a statement. “That is an important victory.”

They can challenge. That's it. That's all. That's "due process." They don't have a right to be in the country, a right to free housing, a right to a credit card, a right to sell drugs, a right to sex traffic women and children, a right to beat their wives, or immunity from being deported home to their own country.

So again, what "due process" are all these illegal immigrants being denied? Let's have your evidence, now. Let's hear it.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:37 pm
A given power-system generally always allows its own lawless violations (justifies them) because of service to a higher good.

“Generally”? “Always”? I sense some confusion in your ideas, AJ, which you might want to sort out.

And then perhaps you’ll illustrate what you mean by “lawless violations” being permitted and justified by the regime in power . Do you have some other examples?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:54 pm

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:28 pm And conflating them with MAGA passivity in apparent acquiescence with Trump’s constitution defying power grab is, well, perverse.

Your sense of what is perverse is linked to your political and social commitments.

No, “perverse” isn’t a politically determined perception. It’s a judgement that language and thought is being inverted.

You are correct in suggesting that my ethical and political sympathies lie with one set of protests far more than the other. But the observation that public protest is the opposite of passive acquiescence; that applies to all public protests, whatever the cause.

I’m a wee bit surprised you needed it to be spelled out like this.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:14 pm

He doesn't have it.

Citizens are subject to the rules of society. So are illegals subject to the rules of society.


Just because The Democrats That Hate America suspended due process for immigration, in order to lure illegals into the country in the name of fundamental change … fundamental change of the due process for border jumpers does not justify further corruption of due process.


The objective for The Dims is full amnesty for every illegal who avoided due process by illegally entering the country … an invasion that was illegally facilitated by The Biden Administration. The plenary power of POTUS is to be exercised in defense of the country, which is the job description. It's not to be exercised for invasion and overthrow of the constitution via corruption.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:14 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:55 am If you know what due process is, then that, that is what is due.

According to the Clearwater Legal Group, which is apparently sympathetic, and on your constitution, what they have is the following rights:

"Undocumented immigrants have the right to be informed of the charges against them, the right to an attorney, and the right to present evidence in their defense." They also have a right to exemption from "unreasonable searches and seizures," whatever "unreasonable" is interpreted to be. The Dems are desperately attempting to decorate this list with "rights" that the constitution does not offer, such as "the right to be with family," or "the right to have a pathway to citizenship" or "the right to vote in elections."

As for the Supreme Court, here's a summary by a Leftie advocate, for your information: “The critical point of this ruling is that the Supreme Court said individuals must be given due process to challenge their removal under the Alien Enemies Act,” Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Immigrants’ Rights Project, who is leading the lawsuit, wrote in a statement. “That is an important victory.”

They can challenge. That's it. That's all. That's "due process." They don't have a right to be in the country, a right to free housing, a right to a credit card, a right to sell drugs, a right to sex traffic women and children, a right to beat their wives, or immunity from being deported home to their own country.

So again, what "due process" are all these illegal immigrants being denied? Let's have your evidence, now. Let's hear it.

First, please confirm that you do now understand that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was denied due process, which is what I was consistently and correctly writing about.

If it helps, I can provide a quote from one of the Supreme Court justices again which explicitly calls for his return from Salvadoran exile so that he can be granted the due process.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:26 pm “Generally”? “Always”? I sense some confusion in your ideas, AJ, which you might want to sort out.

And then perhaps you’ll illustrate what you mean by “lawless violations” being permitted by the regime in power . Do you have some other examples?

I don’t think my ideas are confused. But the social and political conditions in the US are very much in a confused and confusing state.

It was, in my view, a ”lawless violation” on the part of one political faction (“the Democrats”) in collusion with media-systems, to encourage, possibly even instigate, everything that occurred during the George Floyd summer (and beyond). The social lawlessness was encouraged, allowed even, with little or no effort to rein it in.

The marauding groups that tore down monuments; the DEI madness; the lawfare firected against Donald Trump. The so-called weaponization of the FBI …

These are all evidences of lawlessness.

Now, a new régime is in power with a sliver of political advantage and leverage. Similar lawless tactics are being used against those previously using similar tactics.

It is part of a whole and (in my view) must be seen in that way.

I do not think that considering things from these angles will increase confusion. It will I think begin to rein it in.

At least the mindless, neurotic bickering so common here might be limited.

Let me guide you from political neurosis and overwrought emotional response to a Promised Land of clarity!