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Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:35 am**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:15 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:12 pm I never said the government has no power to deport, I said they had to do so in accord with due process.
I'm still waiting for that evidence that the "process" used was not what was "due." I'm not hearing it.

All is proceeding according to due process.

- In addition to being subject to criminal law, illegal migrants are also subject to immigration law. Poor little fellers.
- Garcia is not criminally charged in this instance, and so all the remedies for criminal charges, such as procedural delays and appeals, do not apply to Garcia.
- Which rather refutes Flash's presentations, don't you think? He's truckin' down the wrong road, again.
- Garcia’s offense is immigration law, and that’s under the jurisdiction of the executive branch, not the judicial branch.
- Plenary Power kicks in. Bye bye.

- To repeat, should El Salvador want to return Garcia, then the White House will comply with the Supreme Court decision and facilitate his return, at which point he will be detained, a judge will sign a piece of paper, and then he will be deported again forthwith (

). Plenary Power exercised via immigration law.

They could do it while the plane refuels, and it would be due process.

This is what you call a distraction by the media that pretty much ignores the stories of hell wrought by the Biden Administration, and The Democrats That Hate America, and are the cause of this Fire Drill.

The Democrats Who Hate America don't give a flying crap about Garcia.
To them, he is merely an ostensible reason to corrupt constitutional authority.
He is an ideological vehicle for obstructing the will of the people, by The Party.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:51 am**

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:35 am - Garcia’s offense is immigration law, and that’s under the jurisdiction of the executive branch, not the judicial branch.

That's the most syphilitic dotard bullshit you have ever written.

Here's the Supreme Court ruling that says you are absolutely out of your mind

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 9_lkhn.pdf

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:58 am**

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:51 am
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:35 am - Garcia’s offense is immigration law, and that’s under the jurisdiction of the executive branch, not the judicial branch.
That's the most syphilitic dotard bullshit you have ever written.

Here's the Supreme Court ruling that says you are absolutely out of your mind

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 9_lkhn.pdf

Your piss stream is weak, Minion.

I am presenting the current administration's case, and their case is the motive force for what is happening.

Your bleating is a protest of reality.

You're so emotional. This is a condition that causes a belief-paradigm, as cause for all intellectual discussion.

The Supreme Court Decision offers a remedy.
The White House agrees.
The End.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:09 am**

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:58 am I am presenting the current administration's case, and their case is the motive force for what is happening.

Your bleating is a protest of reality.

We already covered that, the regime you adore is engaged in the overthrow of the Rule of Law and you are already a known collaborator, elbow deep in all the atrocities to come.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:10 am**

Goodness gracious.

And just because you were wrong about Garcia ...

That's an ideologue for ya.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:24 am**

The full ruling of the Supreme Court is here, it's only a few pages.
That's published here in PDF form.

From the Sotomayor concurrence, you get this passage:
Nevertheless, I agree with the Court’s order that the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings.

They don't agree with your plenary powers bullshit, do require the return from Salvadorian hell of Abrego Garcia, and confirm the obvious truth that this man was denied proper due process.

Anybody who finds joy in this open violation of due process will discover regret much too late when they are denied it themselves. You are a traitor Walker.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:35 am**

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:06 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:38 pm Yeah. The great Central/South American traditions of martial law, giant torture prisons, and secret police death squads aren't really something to copy. Nor the rides thing that Henry likes.
Authoritarianism, if it is “benevolent”, often works better than other arrangements — here.

Simon Bolívar noted that “governing this people is like plowing the ocean.”

While I despise criminality (having had a gun pointed against my head once or twice and a few knives as well) I tend to see Latin American lawlessness among the lower classes as requiring sane reforms.

The lawlessness that really irks me though is that of the criminal overclass.

I would not feel too too bad if the retribution were distributed fairly. As it is the poor man pays far more in consequences. And the wealthy and connected escape consequences.

I’d like about a million — maybe two million — among the privileged classes here to be taken on that definitive helicopter journey. And their ordeal videographed.

Absolute terror. Massacring the criminal, his family, maybe even leveling the building where he and his family live. A rain of absolute destruction against the corrupt classes.

But against criminality among all classes. It just has to be equal — democratic.

It is impossible for outsiders to understand how deeply corruption penetrates here. It is simply unreal — literally fabulous. Only magical realism can portray it.

This is why I can understand what Bukele did in El Salvador was necessary — certainly excusable. He made life livable for average people. But some of those imprisoned are likely innocent.

Bad luck.

But I bet that the criminal overclasses escaped retributive punishment.

That's some very sad shit. But the truth is that once you become the sort of society that allows those connected to the dear leader to buy their way out of legal trouble, and at the same time denies the protection of legal due process to undesirables things will tend to get out of hand.

Once they have gotten so out of hand that you are willing to just scoop up and murder millions of people, again, without due process or legal protection, you have become the sort of country from which it is easy to see why so many refugees flee. The Christian thing for residents of other countries to do would be to welcome those refugees.

And the right thing to do would be to make sure their own country doesn't descend into similar madness through extra-judicial activities that violate due process.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:36 am**

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:24 am

Flash, you're being undignified and this isn't appropriate, impressive, or persuasive.

You need to display some thinking skills when considering reality, not necessarily what your bleating heart tells you is true. I think you'll find it will generate a detachment that doesn't make you sound like an hysterical ninny.

For example:

If each individual case of deportation receives the same attention as Garcia, then deporting millions of illegals, who do not have the sovereign rights of citizens, will take a thousand years, which is impossible and which effectively nullifies the executive branch's authority.

Constitution corrupted. Leftist mission accomplished.

In the end, the final assertion of the final authority comes down to the guns, doesn't it. Is the Supreme Court, aided by the Minions of Emotion, going to stage a violent, armed insurrectionist rebellion against the constitutional authority of the Executive Branch, who is The Commander In Chief?

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:44 am**

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:36 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:24 am
Flash, you're being undignified and this isn't appropriate, impressive, or persuasive.

You need to display some thinking skills when considering reality, not necessarily what your bleating heart tells you is true. I think you'll find it will generate a detachment that doesn't make you sound like an hysterical ninny.

For example:

If each individual case of deportation receives the same attention as Garcia, then deporting millions of illegals, who do not have the sovereign rights of citizens, will take a thousand years, which is impossible and which effectively nullifies the executive branch's authority.

Constitution corrupted. Leftist mission accomplished.

In the end, the final assertion of the final authority comes down to the guns, doesn't it. Is the Supreme Court, aided by the Minions of Emotion, going to stage a violent, armed insurrectionist rebellion against the constitutional authority of the Executive Branch, who is The Commander In Chief?

Your excuse for the overthrow of law and order is convenience. What a cheap way to sell your own rights down the river.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:45 am**

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:35 am
Once they have gotten so out of hand that you are willing to just scoop up and murder millions of people, again, without due process or legal protection, you have become the sort of country from which it is easy to see why so many refugees flee. The Christian thing for residents of other countries to do would be to welcome those refugees.

Just waiting for the order to proceed …

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:49 am**

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:44 am

And just because you were wrong about Garcia ...

Grow up, flashpants. Your sanctimony is tedious.

And, I'm not an illegal alien subject to immigration law ... I knows my rights.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:08 pm**

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:49 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:44 am Your excuse for the overthrow of law and order is convenience. What a cheap way to sell your own rights down the river.
And, I'm not an illegal alien subject to immigration law ... I knows my rights.

The text from your fourteenth amendment says "No state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". Abrego Garcia was a person within its jurisdiction who was denied his legal protection as has been definitively ruled by the Supreme Court in a ruling Ihave already provided you a link to and excerpt from. You are covered by the same due process and equal protection clauses of the constitution that Abrego Garcia was.

You and IC should think about where we get the phrase "Some are more equal than others" and why you might not want to add that to the equal protection clause of the fourteenth.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:27 pm**

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:08 pm

Save your advice, Minion. Your view is not out of the blue. It's been considered as part of the totality of this issue.

Knowing my rights is how I know the persecution of Trump was such a travesty. It was wrong. Wrong is bad. Bad people did it.

Garcia is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador, as is being demonstrated by reality.

Should he commit a crime in the USA such as wife beating, which isn't likely anymore unless he finds a way to sneak in illegally again, he is subject to criminal prosecution and punishment. He is not yet a diplomat but who knows, maybe the next Leftist who gets elected will make him one and he will have diplomatic immunity.

All the pain and not much benefit for USA's new underclass illegals who snuck in, courtesy of and facilitated by The Democrat Party That Hates America. And, brought to you by the same Party that hung out the welcome sign and was in league with the human traffickers to get as many here as quickly as possibly, while ignoring immigration laws which has caused much suffering.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:45 pm**

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:27 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:08 pm
Save your advice, Minion. Your view is not out of the blue. It's been considered as part of the totality of this issue.

With all due respect, you think immigration courts are not part of the judicial branch, so your ability to consider the totality of this issue is diminished due to stupid.

Posted: **Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:53 pm**

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:45 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:27 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:08 pm
Save your advice, Minion. Your view is not out of the blue. It's been considered as part of the totality of this issue.
With all due respect, you think immigration courts are not part of the judicial branch, so your ability to consider the totality of this issue is diminished due to stupid.

Boasberg Admits He Doesn't 'Have the Power' to Stop Trump Deportation Flights
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2025/04/18 ... g-n2188042

Is the judge ignoring The 14th Amendment? These are people too, just like Garcia ... although he was judged by due process* to be a member of a foreign terrorist organization.

* Immigration judges, not criminal judges.

All hail Wiki!
Immigration judge (United States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... ed_States)

*

Flash stamps foot and hollers, This should not Be!

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