~~~ Worst Philosophy in the History of Mankind ~~~

[bobevenson]

Conservatism IS the Worst Philosophy in the History of Mankind. Economically and emotionally.

Do you mind explaining exactly what you mean by that statement? Please define what you mean by conservatism and how you believe it has a negative economic and emotional impact on society.

[Arising_uk]

... Just because a product is not well-made does not constitute fraud.

Great! Then I'll keep making a profit selling you adulterated bread, shit cars and shonky houses.

[tillingborn]

Tillingborn,
That definition of conservation is in several online dictionaries...

I don't doubt it. Do you not appreciate the difference between conservation and conservatism?

[bobevenson]

I'm still waiting for an answer.

Bill Wiltrack wrote: "Conservatism IS the Worst Philosophy in the History of Mankind. Economically and emotionally."

bobevenson wrote: "Do you mind explaining exactly what you mean by that statement? Please define what you mean by conservatism and how you believe it has a negative economic and emotional impact on society."

[Bill Wiltrack]

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* I know it is a bit far off in the distance but my original post upon this thread really laid out an overview of my perspective for this thread:





Worst Philosophy in the History of Mankind



Me personally, I’ve always looked at philosophy as being one of the most important positive aspects of my adult life, possibly THE most important aspect of my adult life.

Well, now is the time I must admit the anti-thesis of this tremendously positive feeling I have developed towards all things philosophical.



Today I must admit, and attempt to verbalize The worst Philosophy in the History of Mankind.


Today I must confront philosophy as being the worst overall influence put upon me from outside.




This blackest of all black philosophy that I'm referring to affects ALL people on earth. And for 99%, of us, yes for a full 7 Billion people, this philosophy is now crushing us. Crushing our bodies and stealing our souls.



Each day, the world turns, only to discover she is entering a new gate of hell. An ever more darker and deeper gate of hell on earth.

And you will sell your soul... And you will sell your soul. Just to be here.

Because we have lost all our belief. We have sold our belief. We have bought a ticket to hell.

Philosophy. Oh philosophy, the god of wisdom, is now the darkest enemy man has ever faced. And there is no apparent way out. No end in sight. Not now.


What is this philosophy that I speak of?

What is by far the worst scourge of all scourges in the history of mankind?


It is the philosophy of conservatism.



I do not know where it started and I cannot foresee an end but I will share the point at which the world visibly took note.



It was back in August of 1981 in America. Ronald Reagan, the 40 President of the United States did Beelzebub's bidding as he destroyed the Air Traffic Controllers Union ability to bargain effectively.


In short, he put profit before people. He said it was for national interest and national security. Thirty years later, the world witnesses that on that day, August 1, 1981 the United States of America sacrificed both. The United States of America betrayed her own people, and the world's corporate headquarters took note.



The air traffic controllers’ strike was a major union movement in America. It proved the importance of worker’s rights and liberties. The strike proved that unions could make a difference in a society based on capitalism.


As they say, the rest is history.

The philosophy of profit was put before people.

The philosophy that government is the problem was openly accepted by the leader of the world's largest government and, at the time, the most successful society the world has ever known.



Upside-down. On our heads. Nothing anymore made sense.



And for the next thirty years the daily headlines of all major newspapers reflected that theme at an ever increasingly bold pace.

And then it eventually became all the media outlets of all media, and the paid announcers, writers, and performers...

This hell. This all encompassing hell on earth.



The economic and emotional race to the bottom that all countries, all peoples must participate in.

The race to hell.


Fast track forward to today. We are the dying fruit of this horrible disease. We are the end.



Philosophy, this philosophy of the night undoes all the apparent good that any school or mode of philosophy has ever accomplished.


You and I are now witnessing, you and I are a part of this dark night of the soul.

And when they look back and say, why didn't someone do something? Why didn't someone stop this?


Because we couldn’t. We, the dust in the wind. We couldn’t.




As you finish reading this post are you able to accept the fact that philosophy, namely the philosophical lie that is conservatism, has ruined your life?


I will state that here on this site philosophy is THE most important aspect of our adult life.

The only thing I would add is that philosophy has become the most overall negative aspect in our lives.






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[bobevenson]

Do you mind just answering my questions in a few well-chosen words? I realize this will be a challenge to you since you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Perspective]

Tillingborn,
That definition of conservation is in several online dictionaries...

I don't doubt it. Do you not appreciate the difference between conservation and conservatism?

The first or root part of the words are exactly the same... "conserv"
Conserve: Protect (something, esp. an environmentally or culturally important place or thing) from harm or destruction.

The difference between the letters in the terms, "conservation" and "conservatism" are the last parts...
ation: indicating state, condition, action, process, or result
ism: A distinctive practice, system, or philosophy

So, Conservation is about the process of conserving.
Conservatism is the practice of conserving.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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For me, in the frame work of this particular thread, if you would choose to read only the bold type you would have a Cliff's Notes version of my meaning.



Good question.


Thank you for allowing me to re-establish this individual thread.




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[Perspective]

" as are sex toys like dildos, that lesbians use.:

LOL

you are an innocent boy.

It seem that you, too need a lesson about basic logic - a foundational aspect of philosophy.
What you wrote above is considered the logical fallacy, "ad hominemn attack," besides jumping to conclusions.
Usually, when one resorts to such attacks, it is because they have nothing better to contribute, may feel threatened, so attack, and when they do so, judges (if it were a judged debate) would deem them to have lost the debate.

You (& others) would benefit from reading up on logical fallacies. It would help you present your ideas more logically...
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/


Obviously, there are many fetishes, not just sexual ones.
But I don't know of anybody, besides those with homosexual fetishes, demanding to change the definition of the foundation of society (marriage) and demanding special legal treatment - just for having fetishes.

[Perspective]

Bill,
It is so obvious that you are avoiding critical thinking, yet you ironically claim to love philosophy.
Philosophy is not just keeping blinders on about what you believe, so you don't have to even consider other perspectives.
Philosophy is defined as: "1.examination of basic concepts: the branch of knowledge or academic study devoted to the systematic examination of basic concepts such as truth, existence, reality, causality, and freedom"

Cult mentality does not only apply to religious cults, but is also defined as "great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work" - strict adhereance to a belief system and intollerance of other views - which is demonstrated by your and some others' "anti-conservative" mentality in this thread. Such a cult mentality seeks to maintain its own belief system, even at the sacrifice of axiomatic truths. It is the oposite of true philosophy.

Still, as I mentioned before, it is a universal trait of human beings to want to ignore or deny truths that make them feel uncomfortable.
We all do this, Bill! I have to remind myself of this when I get pissed at people for thinking what seems to be ignorantly.
I have to remind myself of this when I think I know so much, because in reality, I don't know s--- compared to what there is to know!

One more aspect of what is deemed as liberarlism, that I agree with, is the drive to take care of and replenish this earth.
I think Regan was stupid to redirect energy efforts away from renewable energy and toward stealing natural resources from other countries, depending on nonrenewable oil.
And again, as I mentioned, I am appalled at the ridiculous justification of killing so many people in so many wars that the US has initiated.
But these factors don't make me hate all conservative ideas.
In fact, I wouldn't consider killing people or the environment to be truly "conserving" principles.

Bill, you seem to have a good heart.
Maybe the reason you started this thread is to wake people up about things like war and the environment.
That's a good thing!
But some of your illogical notions make your credibility shakey.

I already posted a link to logical fallacies.
I'd also like to share a couple other links that may not only help you think and communicate more clearly, but also would help you feel better, based on more functional thinking... It's been helpful to me.
http://psychcentral.com/lib/15-common-c ... ns/0002153
http://www.cognitivetherapy.me.uk/schema_therapy.htm

[bobevenson]

I'm still waiting for an answer.

Bill Wiltrack wrote: "Conservatism IS the Worst Philosophy in the History of Mankind. Economically and emotionally."

bobevenson wrote: "Do you mind explaining exactly what you mean by that statement? Please define what you mean by conservatism and how you believe it has a negative economic and emotional impact on society."

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I linked the sites mentioned above.


Me thinks you think too much...


Look, I slowly formed an opinion, over many years, in relation to this thread.


I then formulated and express my opinion in this and many other threads and posts.


I am not right for you.

I am right for me.



I don't want to change anyone.


I attempt to live a philosophically based life, at every moment I am able.


In relation to that, you have no idea. But trust me, I attempt to change my perspective at every opportunity and then some.




Greetings...and thank you for participating.





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[tillingborn]

Conservatism is the practice of conserving.

What utter nonsense. Can you provide a single example of anyone but you using conservatism in this way?

[bobevenson]

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I linked the sites mentioned above.


Me thinks you think too much...


Look, I slowly formed an opinion, over many years, in relation to this thread.


I then formulated and express my opinion in this and many other threads and posts.


I am not right for you.

I am right for me.



I don't want to change anyone.


I attempt to live a philosophically based life, at every moment I am able.


In relation to that, you have no idea. But trust me, I attempt to change my perspective at every opportunity and then some.




Greetings...and thank you for participating.





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If you don't have the ability to answer my simple questions, just say so.

[John K]

After skimming through the thread I'm glad to see that save for the unions thing...

Huh?