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Immanuel Can
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Janoah wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2026 8:50 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2026 8:22 pm
Meanwhile, in Canada...https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/l ... -9.7356880
Wishing Const. Jeff Smith a speedy and full recovery!
Wishing Canada wasn't becoming more and more antisemitic. Unfortunately...Canadian Jews are 1% of the population, and victims of 70% of the hate crimes.
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There was a synagogue shooting in the UK too, last year in Manchester.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629qyndq89o

Pretty grim.
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How many Jews have been killed in hate attacks in Canada since 2000?
1
Since 2000, there has been one confirmed fatality of a Jewish individual in Canada resulting from a targeted or ideologically motivated violent attack that explicitly included anti-Jewish animus in its scope (the June 2026 Montreal shooting in a Jewish neighborhood which claimed the life of civilian Rabbi Michael Moshe Mizrahi alongside a police officer, though authorities noted the perpetrator's manifesto broadly targeted police, women, and society alongside Jewish people).
https://combatantisemitism.org/cam-news ... cked-down/

I don't trivialize that one loss of life or the loss and injuries of the police officers involved.

However, let's have a realistic sense of proportion.
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Just asked Google AI a similar question about the USA and it replied:
At least 30 people have been killed in major anti-Jewish hate and extremist attacks across the United States since 2000.
Comprehensive tallies of fatal antisemitic and bias-motivated attacks compiled from organizations like the Anti-Defamation League and the Statista Antisemitic Incidents Data highlight several major incidents:
Key Fatal Incidents
• July 2002: 2 people were killed in a shooting at the El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport.
• July 2006: 1 person was killed in a shooting at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building.
• June 2009: 1 security guard was fatally shot at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C.
• April 2014: 3 people were killed in the Overland Park Jewish Community Center shootings in Kansas.
• October 2018: 11 worshippers were killed in the Tree of Life synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (the deadliest antisemitic attack in U.S. history).
• April 2019: 1 person was killed in the Poway synagogue shooting in California.
• December 2019: 4 people (including two attackers and two civilians in a kosher grocery store) were killed in the Jersey City shooting.
• May 2025: 2 people were killed in a shooting outside the Capital Jewish Museum in Washington, D.C.
• June 2025: 1 person died from injuries in a firebombing attack at a "Run for Their Lives" event in Boulder, Colorado.
• March 2026: 1 person was killed during a vehicle ramming and shooting attack at Temple Israel in West Bloomfield, Michigan.
There are eight times as many Americans as Canadians, so I don't think these dreadful murders by themselves provide enough data to draw any firm conclusions about the relative incidence of anti-semitism in the USA as opposed to Canada or indeed Britain.
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phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 11:44 am How many Jews have been killed in hate attacks in Canada since 2000
Oh. So it's only bad if somebody is actually killed? And it's only bad in the last 26 years or so, too.

Well, that's a relief.
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A Hamilton steel plant is laying off workers because of US tariffs.

Yesterday, POTUS announced that the biggest steel plant in the US is being built in Iowa, by a Minnesota company, owned by an Indian conglomerate. Canadian steel workers may want to relocate to what's happening now. Establish residency and get an application at the plant, work on the resume. Less snow, more cold, shiny new equipment.
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Walker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 2:55 pm A Hamilton steel plant is laying off workers because of US tariffs.

Yesterday, POTUS announced that the biggest steel plant in the US is being built in Iowa, by a Minnesota company, owned by an Indian conglomerate. Canadian steel workers may want to relocate to what's happening now. Establish residency and get an application at the plant, work on the resume. Less snow, more cold, shiny new equipment.
Yes, I saw that. And it's very far from the only such story right now.

Canada's strength -- and its weakness -- has always been its natural dependency on the US. It's located right next door to the world's largest market, shares a long, unguardable border with that nation, has a similar culture, values and language, and has a much smaller cultural influence.

Canada suffers from a permanent and inevitable inferiority complex with relation to the US...which is precisely why Canadians define themselves as "not American" more often than any other way. They're like the kid brother of a high-status sibling...forever looking up to Big Bro, and also resenting that he is bigger, showier, more powerful and more significant than Little Bro can ever hope to be.
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These two idiots spend all day complaining about lefties and then cheer for market deforming Peronist import substitution tariff policies as soon as they get them from a right wing demagogue instead of a Marxist one.
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Canadian steel workers may want to relocate to what's happening now. Establish residency and get an application at the plant, work on the resume.
The US doesn't want Canadian workers. It just wants Canadian companies to relocate to the US.

And Americans can't understand why Canada doesn't want a deal that slowly or quickly strips away the meat.
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phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 4:33 pm And Americans can't understand why Canada doesn't want a deal that slowly or quickly strips away the meat.
Unfortunately, Canada has failed to build it's own independent infrastructure, and depends for a lot of it on the US. Softwood lumber, oil, minerals, agricultural goods...the prime market for all of these is the US. Canada lacks both the consumer base and the industrial infrastructure to render its raw resources into finished goods.

One real problem is the alleged "green" policies of the Liberal government, because of which they refuse to allow whatever they consider to be "non-green" activities that get up to scale. They bar pipelines, for example, so the rich reserves of Alberta oil are not able to benefit the people of Alberta -- and ironically, to benefit the rest of Canada, through what's called "transfer payments" between the provinces. The provinces themselves also have provincial trade barriers that prevent Canadians trading freely with Canadians. So the situation is really hopeless, so long as centralized control by a Liberal government perversely devoted to phony "greenish" policies rules. But Canadians keep voting them in.

As a result, Canadian independence, both politically and economically, is absurdly far from possibility right now. Like or or not, they're anchored to the States, and the States hold all the cards. Canada has no military to speak of, no defensible position strategically, no ability to go independent, and no place to sell its essential exports without the US. The efforts of the Carney government to enslave itself to distant powers through economic re-dependency on China and Europe only underline the desperation and hopelessness of ideologues trying to avoid bowing to the American inevitability.

But the US will win. How much they will win, and when, we don't know. But they're not going to lose to Canada. There's no chance of that.
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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 5:08 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 4:33 pm And Americans can't understand why Canada doesn't want a deal that slowly or quickly strips away the meat.
Unfortunately, Canada has failed to build it's own independent infrastructure, …
Pontificate much?

lol
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Canada has had 9 years of Conservative government in the last 20 years.

But sure, just keep blaming "Liberal government".

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Republicans in the late 19th century wanted to annex Canada—which was then still a British colony. The push to make Canada part of the U.S. reached a fever pitch following passage of the highly protectionist McKinley Tariff in 1890, which raised average tariff rates to around 50%. To pressure Canada into joining the U.S., the McKinley tariff explicitly declined to make an exception for Canadian products. Republicans hoped that Canadians, who were becoming ever more reliant on the U.S. market, would be eager to become the 45th state to avoid the punishing tariffs. […]

Rather than compelling Canadians to seek annexation, the tariff stirred “love for Queen, flag, and country,” according to George T. Denison, president of the British Empire League in Canada. The majority of Canadians saw the McKinley tariff as part of “a conspiracy” to “betray this country into annexation.” They were having none of it. […]

Canadian Minister of Trade and Commerce Mackenzie Bowell happily informed his colleagues in the Canadian Senate that “the McKinley Bill, instead of destroying the trade of this country, has only diverted it from the United States to England." He continued, "Our neighbors are cutting off their own noses to spite us.”

https://time.com/7212675/tariffs-canada ... backfired/
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mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 7:51 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 5:08 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 4:33 pm And Americans can't understand why Canada doesn't want a deal that slowly or quickly strips away the meat.
Unfortunately, Canada has failed to build it's own independent infrastructure, …
Pontificate much?

lol
It used to be that markets setting prices, and capitalism dictating the location of factories and jobs and whatnot was the thing that commies hated and business friendly conservatives liked.

But now the conservatives like authoritarian resource nationalism, and import substitution based state control of capital. The high ground of the economy is being seized and they are all up for it. Hooray...?

It turns out that most conservatives are economically illiterate mercantilists and always were. The complexities of multinational supply chains and comparative advantage are lost on this hopeless generation of half-dead boomer. Best advice is to just outlive them.
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One guy banning export or import of certain products. By the stroke of a pen.

Why wouldn't Republicans and conservatives love that?

Well that's not big government. It's government by one.
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