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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:12 pm Think of yourself as a specimen under study!

When I find somebody capable, I will.

Not today.

If you can — I say this honestly — don’t take my efforts as personal attacks. It is a significant part of my intellectual (and spiritual) path to have to analyze you at this level. You hold the key in this sense. You are the closest I have come to a bona fide religious fanatic. And you have helped me to begin to disassemble Judaism — the unexpected result of my interaction with you. It was Judaism that had me *captured* (my upbringing) and you have shown me why it need be transcended. That’s different from rejected, mind you.

I did at one time know some fanatical Vaishnavas (Krishna devotees) but their base is the philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita so many times more expansive and thought-through. The Bhagavad Gita perspective gives one a concept model to appreciate all religious conceptions.

Judaism and Christianity destroy the possibility.

Judaism is really another beast entirely and in my view a dual creature: on one hand Yahweh is obviously comparable to a demonic demiurgic figure. An emblem of wickedness. But there is a very different aspect to the Greco-Christian god-concept. (I expect you to understand none of this …)

I realize that you must brush off and dismiss all that I say as you do, and can consider none of it. I have no problem really with that or you. But I do want to say it isn’t personal.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:03 pm So?

You're deducing something from the fact that I mentioned he had an audience?

It didn't take deduction. It was what you said ABOUT the people he was describing and disagreeing with. You don't seem to read.

You supported him as if you understood/believed those he was disagreeing with, insulting, mind reading and labelled were being deceptive.

"As if"? Well, that may be your interpretation, it's certainly not mine. And you certainly won't find it's what I said. I did not condone insulting in any way, shape or form. And I certainly did not name any particular respondent at all. You have no reason to add any of that baggage to anything I said.

So, you read him enough to believe he has been presenting the truth. You read him enough to judge those he was talking to as deceptive. But you hadn't noticed that he was insulting people in post after post after post after post. Classifying them as evil for not agreeing completely with what he considered the correct opinion. You missed all that.

I don't know what is the charitable interpretation. That you are a liar or stupid. Take your pick and I will accept it.

Stick to what I said. Don't read into things things that are not there. All I said, essentially, was, if you are saying something true, then keep saying it.

No. All you said essentially was what you said. Which I quoted. Just keep lying about it. Or being clueless about it:

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:48 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:03 pm So?

You're deducing something from the fact that I mentioned he had an audience?

It didn't take deduction. It was what you said ABOUT the people he was describing and disagreeing with. You don't seem to read.

What I said was, at most, that the opposite of being truthful is bad, and the opposite of being right is bad. One would think that was above contention...but somehow, you've managed to invent one.

So, you read him enough to believe he has been presenting the truth.

About Hamas? That Israel has a legitimate right to prevent themselves from being killed by them? Yes.

Forgive me: I have this terrible squeamishness about genocides.

I don't know what is the charitable interpretation.

You should try using one.

Start with only referring to what people actually say, rather than some imagining of your own. That's the first principle.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:12 pm If you can — I say this honestly — don’t take my efforts as personal attacks.

You're so funny!

"You're a liar, deceiver, indoctrinated fool and hypocrite -- but don't take it personally."

I love it... the lack of self-awareness, your bluster, your sheer, overweening self-admiration! It's quite charming.

I can only take toxic personalities like you for so long and then I need a break. As much as accelafine is an abusive, thug of a communicator, at least he's honest about his hatred and bile. This gaslighting passive aggressive shit...need a break, yech.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:56 pm "You're a liar, deceiver, indoctrinated fool and hypocrite -- but don't take it personally."

Yes, I mean exactly what I say.

You are part of a mass. And the best I can come up with is that as a mass you-plural are involved in immense deception.

Technically, that is the Devil’s territory and work.

My critique is not about you personally but rather about a universal human tendency (or defect). What you have done is what I must avoid.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:02 am I can only take toxic personalities like you for so long and then I need a break.

I'm glad you discovered a "charitable" reading of things. I'd hate to see what it would look like if you made stuff up and then threw an elaborate hissy fit. That might be really bad.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:02 am I can only take toxic personalities like you for so long and then I need a break. As much as accelafine is an abusive, thug of a communicator, at least he's honest about his hatred and bile. This gaslighting passive aggressive shit...need a break, yech.

'Hatred and bile' for those who torture children and celebrate it? How extraordinary. Glad I hit a nerve. At least it shows you are relatively human.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:10 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:02 am I can only take toxic personalities like you for so long and then I need a break. As much as accelafine is an abusive, thug of a communicator, at least he's honest about his hatred and bile. This gaslighting passive aggressive shit...need a break, yech.

'Hatred and bile' for those who torture children and celebrate it? How extraordinary. Glad I hit a nerve. At least it shows you are relatively human.

Oh, I see, you think the people psoting here are Hamas.

How thick is this person exactly? ↑

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:14 am How thick is this person exactly? ↑

He's not so bad. At least he's capable of reasonable conversation...when he's not having an emotional fit, which he seems to be right now. But he'll get over it.

Something about Israel just makes even reasonable people a little crazy. It seems nobody cares a fig that Bashaar al Asaad massacres hundreds of thousands of Arabs, or Iran or Iraq or Afghanistan do the same, and Western liberals don't even care when people kill or expel Palestinians, as the Yemenis did in such numbers. But let israel do anything to preserve its survival, and they howl like demons.

It was quite a thing to see the presidents of Harvard, Penn and MIT refuse to say that advocating the genocide of Jews constituted even so much as official "harassment." You would think these dyed-in-the-wool liberal Lefties would be all compassion and empathy...but nope. It doesn't matter who they are, they just lose their minds.

One might also say it's something supernatural...

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:14 am How astounding is this person exactly? ↓

Accelafine, good evening. Thank you! When you have some time I am available to tear you into shreds, then minuscule bits, finally reducing you to molecular particles that I’ll blow away into the inane winds that circulate round you.

How’s your schedule looking?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:24 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:14 am How thick is this person exactly? →←

Something about Israel just makes even reasonable people a little crazy.

One might also say it's something supernatural...

I am interested in this. Can you develop the idea?

What do you mean by ‘supernatural’?

The world-level reaction to the Gaza destruction and the plight of the Palestinians is supernatural in origin? Can you explain more?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:05 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:24 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:14 am How thick is this person exactly? →←

Something about Israel just makes even reasonable people a little crazy.

One might also say it's something supernatural...

I am interested in this. Can you develop the idea?

I can!

But not for you.