Trinity

[Averroes]

again, if you can inform me and this forum about the Eastern Hindu's theology of the seven? incarnations of "God", i'd love to read/learn via your reply.

I have some interesting information about the Hindu religion. If you are interested I can share it with you. I have the link to a good book by Hindu scholar Dr Ved Prakash Uppadhay who talks about the prophecies of the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Hindu scriptures. In that book Dr Uppadhay quotes the Hindu scriptures and explains the concept of unity of God in the Hindu religion and he also explains how the Hindu religion has been corrupted through the ages. Essentially he says by quoting the Vedas that the Hindu religion is a strict monotheistic religion where idol worship is strictly forbidden but misguided gurus have corrupted the religion by their ignorance of the scriptures.

The book is available for free on scribd, and you may have to register with the site to have access to the book. Registering is free also. That book has been peered reviewed by dozens of other Hindu scholars. If you are interested here in the link: https://www.scribd.com/doc/345587917

I hope you find it interesting as I have. If you want to talk about it later, I'll be glad if I can help. Thank you for reading. Have a nice day.

[Veritas Aequitas]

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Anyway, I am fine with your stance on Buddhism and its founder being mere myths. Because of that, you can continue ask me for charity as you have done before. And if I have something for you, then, God willing, I will give you as I have done before. Now I know you will not kill me for criticizing Buddhism. You still haven't told me though why you are so stupid? You can tell me and others, it's ok as we all know you are stupid. If you still don't want to tell us, it's ok too. Our discussion for once has reached a happy ending. That's nice.

Are you trying to be deceptive or there is something wrong with your brain??

I have already responded to the above post, here it is again;

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You are very ignorant of what is Buddhism and especially Buddhism proper.
As I had stated,

• Buddhism's 4NT-8FP is a Life Problem Solving Technique.
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The above is an iterative model incorporating all the core principles of Buddhism.
You tell me what is wrong with the above model?

I have already told you, the Buddha Story is merely a Myth to expound the principles of Buddhism proper [re threats of old age - old man, illness [sick person], death -corpse, its solution -the monk], especially to the lower-levels-Buddhists.
But you are so thick headed and stupid to insist ALL Buddhists must believe the above "Myth" as a historical reality.

If there is such a real Prince who give up his ascendance to be king during those times, it would be very stupid of Siddharta to do so. Also it would be immoral to flee and leave his wife and son behind.
Ultimately the Buddha is against ascetism.

There is no provision of a contract [covenant] between any Buddhist and Buddha.
Instead of spoon-feeding fishes to believers [like Islam], the Buddha [Buddhism] efficiently provide a life-technique [as above] for one to learn how to fish by oneself which at the minimum will enable one to avoid basic sufferings with room for progress depending on one's current state.

Being humans, there will be some evil prone humans within the Buddhist population who will commit all sorts of evil acts and that has nothing to do with Buddhism proper. The evil prone commit evil acts due to their inherent evil nature and are not compelled by any contractual commands from Buddhism-proper.

On the other hand, all Muslims [like you] must enter into a contract with Allah whereby the Muslims are obliged to comply with the terms of the contract stipulated in the Quran.
The terms of the contract in the Quran contain loads of evil verses [e.g. 5:33] which compels all Muslims to kill non-Muslims upon the slightest threats [fasadin].

Since there are so much threats to Islam within your reach and if you [as a contracted killer] do not kill non-Muslims [as offenders and disbelieving Islam] you will be punished in hell and deprived of the usual virgins and other merits.
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You [Averroes] as a contracted Muslim with Allah will be punished in hell if you do not obey all the commands of Allah in the Quran that are within your ability. Surely you are capable of killing another human being?

[Averroes]

I have already responded to the above post, here it is again;

And in turn, I have already replied to that post of yours, here it is again:
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I am really happy with your belief that Buddhism is founded on a myth. If you want to propagate that on the forum and in the Buddhist world, it's even better. In that case, I can continue talking about the Buddhist religion on the forum without my life being threatened by the possibility of you executing your contractual obligation with Mahayana in applying  the "skillful means" sutra clause in order to take my life. But alas not everyone is like you to have renounced their Bodhisattva vows. For example, Ashin Wirarthu who was dubbed by the Time Magazine as "The Face of Buddhist Terror" would not be of the same opinion as you.



And the same goes for Sitagu Sayadaw and all the Buddhist monks in Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Thailand and other such places, who do not even consider non-Buddhist like me and the majority of the members of the forum to be real human beings.

So, apart from the forum, my life is still in real danger from a hardcore Buddhist, who contrary to you takes his/her Bhodisatva vows seriously, and is ready to abide by his/her contractual duty with Mahayana in killing everyone who criticizes Mahayana.

Anyway, I am fine with your stance on Buddhism and its founder being mere myths. Because of that, you can continue ask me for charity as you have done before. And if I have something for you, then, God willing, I will give you as I have done before. Now I know you will not kill me for criticizing Buddhism. You still haven't told me though why you are so stupid? You can tell me and others, it's ok as we all know you are stupid. If you still don't want to tell us, it's ok too. Our discussion for once has reached a happy ending. That's nice.
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For the moment, I have no charity for you. When I will have, God willing, I will let you know. In some Buddhist countries, some Buddhists can beat you if you don't give them charity. It will not be nice of you to force me or threaten to kill me if I don't give you charity. You still haven't told me why you are so stupid? It's ok, it was a interesting exchange anyway.

[Veritas Aequitas]

I have already responded to the above post, here it is again;

And in turn, I have already replied to that post of yours, here it is again:
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I am really happy with your belief that Buddhism is founded on a myth. If you want to propagate that on the forum and in the Buddhist world, it's even better. In that case, I can continue talking about the Buddhist religion on the forum without my life being threatened by the possibility of you executing your contractual obligation with Mahayana in applying  the "skillful means" sutra clause in order to take my life. But alas not everyone is like you to have renounced their Bodhisattva vows. For example, Ashin Wirarthu who was dubbed by the Time Magazine as "The Face of Buddhist Terror" would not be of the same opinion as you.



And the same goes for Sitagu Sayadaw and all the Buddhist monks in Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Thailand and other such places, who do not even consider non-Buddhist like me and the majority of the members of the forum to be real human beings.

So, apart from the forum, my life is still in real danger from a hardcore Buddhist, who contrary to you takes his/her Bhodisatva vows seriously, and is ready to abide by his/her contractual duty with Mahayana in killing everyone who criticizes Mahayana.

Anyway, I am fine with your stance on Buddhism and its founder being mere myths. Because of that, you can continue ask me for charity as you have done before. And if I have something for you, then, God willing, I will give you as I have done before. Now I know you will not kill me for criticizing Buddhism. You still haven't told me though why you are so stupid? You can tell me and others, it's ok as we all know you are stupid. If you still don't want to tell us, it's ok too. Our discussion for once has reached a happy ending. That's nice.
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For the moment, I have no charity for you. When I will have, God willing, I will let you know. In some Buddhist countries, some Buddhists can beat you if you don't give them charity. It will not be nice of you to force me or threaten to kill me if I don't give you charity. You still haven't told me why you are so stupid? It's ok, it was a interesting exchange anyway.

You are talking nonsense in relation to Buddhism-proper.

Where "Ashin Wirarthu who was dubbed by the Time Magazine as The Face of Buddhist Terror " committed evil acts he did them in the capacity as an evil prone person for the greater good in direct response to the terrible evil by Muslims who killed and rape Buddhists upon the command of Allah in the Quran.
If the Muslims had not committed terrible evil commanded by Allah upon the people of Myanmar for years and encroached upon their lands, Ashin Wirarthu would not have countered attack.

I have given you a challenge to show me evidence where 'Buddhists' had killed humans while shouting 'Buddha-u-Akbar' or 'Buddha is Great' and quoting verses from the Buddhist Sutras to justify their terrible evil acts.

[Veritas Aequitas]

I am really happy with your belief that Buddhism is founded on a myth.

I did not state that categorically.

I stated and implied the Buddha Story is one of the myth to expound the principles of Buddhism proper.
There are hundreds of myth with the full range of Buddhist texts in the various schools of Buddhism.

In the higher levels of Buddhism-proper, the Buddha Story [a myth] is not mentioned at all.

Your inability to discern the above is definitely a reflection of your stupidity - low intelligence in this case.

[seeds]

If you have not researched Buddhism thoroughly you should not be so arrogant with the limited knowledge of Buddhism you have at present.

Absolutely nothing coming out of Buddhism...

(whether it be “Buddhism-proper” or any other name you wish to give it)

...offers anything whatsoever that would resolve the deep seated need and desire within the human psyche to understand how we and the unthinkable order of the universe came into existence.

Sure, it may provide some formalized guidelines for how one should live their life on earth in order to avoid certain forms of suffering.

Nevertheless, its own doctrines suggest that Buddhism itself is nothing more than a temporary “raft” to carry humans across the waters of earthly existence.

In which case (and metaphorically speaking, of course), Buddhism is only concerned with the raft’s immediate provisions and supplies, so to speak, while making no effort to offer any ideas as to what awaits us on the shore of death.

As I have often suggested; Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam...

(indeed, all of the world’s religions)

...are nothing more than “pacifying teats” for us worldlings to suckle on until the truth of our ultimate destiny (be it eternal life – or – eternal oblivion) is finally revealed to us at the moment of death.

In the future, Buddhism-proper will combine with other good doctrines and practices from other religions/spirituality into a common spirituality for all of humanity to learn and practice.

Yes, VA, you have finally said something that I can completely agree with.

However, it must also be noted that whatever the new “common spirituality” (new spiritual paradigm) is going to be, it must not only provide hope to humans that there is more to life than the few fleeting moments we spend on this planet, but it must also offer some logical explanation for the existence of the universe.

I’m talking about an explanation that both the materialist and the spiritualist can live with.
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[Averroes]

I stated and implied the Buddha Story is one of the myth to expound the principles of Buddhism proper.
There are hundreds of myth with the full range of Buddhist texts in the various schools of Buddhism.

I appreciate that you are restating your belief that Buddhism is founded on a myth. And I again respond by telling you that I am fine with that. But alas, as I said already, not every Buddhist has, like you, renounced their Bhodhisatva vows yet. Ashin Wirarthu is a prime example of a hardcore Buddhist who adheres strictly to the myth of Buddhism. For him strict adherence to the Buddhist scriptures such as the "Skillfull means" Sutra and the Nirvana Sutra has earned him, as I said already, to be dubbed by Time Magazine as "The Face of Buddhist Terror".





As already quoted previously, the "skillful means" Sutra and the Nirvana Sutra (among others in the Buddhist scriptures) allow a Bodhisatva (ie a Buddhist) to resort to lying, treachery, deceptions and the killing of non-Buddhists to achieve his/her objective of spreading the "Buddhist Dharma/religion" (ie their mythology). Being a strict follower of the Buddhist mythology, Ashin Wirarthu religiously practices such prescribed treachery and immorality on a daily basis in order to spread his malicious Buddhist beliefs. And through his deceptions he has succeeded in fooling a lot of people to commit genocide before he was internationally exposed. After many years of spreading deceptions on social media and instigating the massacre of tens of thousands of innocent Muslim and causing hundreds of thousands to be displaced, it was only in 2018 that he and many other high ranking Buddhists military officers were banned from Facebook for spreading lies and hate speech against the Muslims in Myanmar.

An example of the kind of deceptions spread by Wirarthu was the false accusation of the rape of a Burmese woman who later confessed that she was paid to lie. That was one among the many examples of how the "Skillful Means" Sutra was being implementated in the practice of Buddhism on a daily basis in majority Buddhist countries such as Myanmar, Thailand and Sri Lanka. It was found that it was indeed Ashin Wirarthu who was behind the spreading of the false accusation of the rape of the Buddhist woman which had sparked a riot that killed an innocent Muslim man in 2014. Later the Buddhist woman confessed that she was paid to file the false complaint of being raped by two Muslim co-workers.

While Wirarthu was busy spreading deceptions to stir violence against Muslims, the UN agencies had the difficult task of reporting the actual rape count and killings of thousands of innocent Muslim women and children by the Myanmar Buddhist military. The latter Buddhist military was encouraged to carry out their genocide by the Myanmar Buddhist chief monk Sitagu Sayadaw in an infamous speech where he said, quoting the Buddhist scriptures, that non-Buddhists were not real humans and that it was fine to kill them. Here is the speech for those interested:https://youtu.be/0cIUTA9uae8

At present more than seven hundred thousands Rohingya Muslims have been forcefully displaced as a result of the hate speech of Ashin Wirarthu, Sitagu Sayadaw and other Buddhist monks. The UN Human Rights agencies have called the Rohingya Muslims as "the most persecuted people on earth".

All this is very disturbing to non-Buddhists worldwide. Some members of the forum wanted to know more about Buddhism, now I think they must have been served. So, I am satisfied that we have had this discussion. Moreover, I really appreciated when you qualified most Buddhists scriptures as nonsense and being founded on just myths. As I said, it's rare that our exchange ends in such terms. And I think it's a great way for our exchange to end for once. As I understood that you don't want to tell me why you are so stupid, I won't ask you this time. But I think by now most of us have an understanding of why you, of all members of the forum, are the most stupid and ignorant.

[Veritas Aequitas]

If you have not researched Buddhism thoroughly you should not be so arrogant with the limited knowledge of Buddhism you have at present.

Absolutely nothing coming out of Buddhism...

(whether it be “Buddhism-proper” or any other name you wish to give it)

...offers anything whatsoever that would resolve the deep seated need and desire within the human psyche to understand how we and the unthinkable order of the universe came into existence.

Sure, it may provide some formalized guidelines for how one should live their life on earth in order to avoid certain forms of suffering.

Nevertheless, its own doctrines suggest that Buddhism itself is nothing more than a temporary “raft” to carry humans across the waters of earthly existence.

In which case (and metaphorically speaking, of course), Buddhism is only concerned with the raft’s immediate provisions and supplies, so to speak, while making no effort to offer any ideas as to what awaits us on the shore of death.

As I have often suggested; Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam...

(indeed, all of the world’s religions)

...are nothing more than “pacifying teats” for us worldlings to suckle on until the truth of our ultimate destiny (be it eternal life – or – eternal oblivion) is finally revealed to us at the moment of death.

Nope, the 'raft' in Buddhism is totally different from the Abrahamic and Hinduism where the their raft is a mean to a teleological end.

Within Buddhism proper there is not only one raft and one final destinations. In Buddhism-proper there the never journey is never ending and a raft is need for each of the never ending water crossings.
The core principle in Buddhism with the raft metaphor is not to cling to the old raft but build new ones at every water crossing.

Metaphorically, Buddhism proper do not spoon feed fishes to believers but teaching them how to fish.

In the future, Buddhism-proper will combine with other good doctrines and practices from other religions/spirituality into a common spirituality for all of humanity to learn and practice.

Yes, VA, you have finally said something that I can completely agree with.

However, it must also be noted that whatever the new “common spirituality” (new spiritual paradigm) is going to be, it must not only provide hope to humans that there is more to life than the few fleeting moments we spend on this planet, but it must also offer some logical explanation for the existence of the universe.

I’m talking about an explanation that both the materialist and the spiritualist can live with.
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Whatever the final approaches, they will be fool proofs that optimize the well beings of the individuals and the collective progressively.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Moreover, I really appreciated when you qualified most Buddhists scriptures as nonsense and being founded on just myths. As I said, it's rare that our exchange ends in such terms. And I think it's a great way for our exchange to end for once. As I understood that you don't want to tell me why you are so stupid, I won't ask you this time. But I think by now most of us have an understanding of why you, of all members of the forum, are the most stupid and ignorant.

You are very desperate and deceptive.
I never said most Buddhism scriptures are nonsense and founded on just myths.

I stated Buddhism-proper cover a range [analogically] from Kindergarten to PhD levels.
It is only at the kindergarten and the lower grades that they relied on nonsense and myths to expound the core principles of Buddhism proper.

Note I wrote in the above;
Nope, the 'raft' in Buddhism is totally different from the Abrahamic and Hinduism where the their raft is a mean to a teleological end.
The Abrahamic religions promised the end of eternal life in heaven, where Islam promised virgins on the conditions that believers comply with the contractual terms within the contract they have signed with God/Allah.

Within Buddhism proper there is not only one raft and one final destinations. In Buddhism-proper there the never journey is never ending and a raft is need for each of the never ending water crossings.
The core principle in Buddhism with the raft metaphor is not to cling to the old raft but build new ones at every water crossing.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Being a strict follower of the Buddhist mythology, Ashin Wirarthu religiously practices such prescribed treachery and immorality on a daily basis in order to spread his malicious Buddhist beliefs. And through his deceptions he has succeeded in fooling a lot of people to commit genocide before he was internationally exposed. After many years of spreading deceptions on social media and instigating the massacre of tens of thousands of innocent Muslim and causing hundreds of thousands to be displaced, it was only in 2018 that he and many other high ranking Buddhists military officers were banned from Facebook for spreading lies and hate speech against the Muslims in Myanmar.

An example of the kind of deceptions spread by Wirarthu was the false accusation of the rape of a Burmese woman who later confessed that she was paid to lie. That was one among the many examples of how the "Skillful Means" Sutra was being implementated in the practice of Buddhism on a daily basis in majority Buddhist countries such as Myanmar, Thailand and Sri Lanka. It was found that it was indeed Ashin Wirarthu who was behind the spreading of the false accusation of the rape of the Buddhist woman which had sparked a riot that killed an innocent Muslim man in 2014. Later the Buddhist woman confessed that she was paid to file the false complaint of being raped by two Muslim co-workers.

While Wirarthu was busy spreading deceptions to stir violence against Muslims, the UN agencies had the difficult task of reporting the actual rape count and killings of thousands of innocent Muslim women and children by the Myanmar Buddhist military. The latter Buddhist military was encouraged to carry out their genocide by the Myanmar Buddhist chief monk Sitagu Sayadaw in an infamous speech where he said, quoting the Buddhist scriptures, that non-Buddhists were not real humans and that it was fine to kill them. Here is the speech for those interested:https://youtu.be/0cIUTA9uae8

At present more than seven hundred thousands Rohingya Muslims have been forcefully displaced as a result of the hate speech of Ashin Wirarthu, Sitagu Sayadaw and other Buddhist monks. The UN Human Rights agencies have called the Rohingya Muslims as "the most persecuted people on earth".

All this is very disturbing to non-Buddhists worldwide. Some members of the forum wanted to know more about Buddhism, now I think they must have been served. So, I am satisfied that we have had this discussion. Moreover, I really appreciated when you qualified most Buddhists scriptures as nonsense and being founded on just myths. As I said, it's rare that our exchange ends in such terms. And I think it's a great way for our exchange to end for once. As I understood that you don't want to tell me why you are so stupid, I won't ask you this time. But I think by now most of us have an understanding of why you, of all members of the forum, are the most stupid and ignorant.

Averroes: Being a strict follower of the Buddhist mythology, Ashin Wirarthu religiously practices such prescribed treachery and immorality on a daily basis in order to spread his malicious Buddhist beliefs.
This is your bullshit.

Btw, Wirathu is of the Theravada School and the icchantika which you wrongly associated with 'real' violence is of the Mahayana School.

Show me evidences Ashin Wirarthu quoted Buddhist scriptures in retaliating against Muslims?

Btw, the majority of Buddhism condemned Wirathu's acts.

Being a monk does not mean one is highly spiritual. Unfortunately Ashin Wirarthu is not highly spiritually matured.
This is why he acted on his own [basic human nature], not based on Buddhism teachings and doctrines in retaliating against Muslims who had been encroaching on their lands, killing their people and raping their women which are condoned by the Allah of Muslims.

You must asked why Ashin Wirarthu counter attacked only Muslims and not Christians, Hindus and believers of other religions.
It is because it was and is ONLY Muslims as influenced by the evil laden verses of the Quran that initiated the evil acts against Buddhists and others in Myanmar and all over the world since Islam first emerged.

Ashin Wirarthu never quoted from the Buddhist scriptures to justify his 'counter attacks'.
In addition, Ashin Wirarthu did not have to brainwash his followers. It is so easy and simple for him to refer to the real evidence of evils acts committed by Muslims against the people of Myanmar. Such evidences are among the stats below;



Ashin Wirarthu made references to the above sorts of evil acts by evil prone Muslims in many of his interviews to justify why he preached against the evils of Islam & Muslims - that had triggered some of his followers to attack Muslims.

I don't agree with Ashin Wirarthu attacks against Muslims who are innocent. But given his lower spirituality and wisdom, that was how he had reacted spontaneously. But I repeat his violence has nothing to do with Buddhism-proper but he reacted like certain humans would do when attacked.

The fact is as long as inherent evil Islam exists along with its natural unavoidable "20%" of evil prone Muslims, these evil prone Muslims will commit terrible evil acts against non-Muslims. Naturally there will the evil prone and immature people like Ashin Wirathu who will counter attack or take preventive steps.

[Averroes]

Show me evidences Ashin Wirarthu quoted Buddhist scriptures in retaliating against Muslims?

Before I answer your question, you have to first answer my question: why are you so stupid and ignorant? Do you know?
It is very important that we address this pressing issue as soon as possible. Take your time to think about it. I am not in a hurry.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Show me evidences Ashin Wirarthu quoted Buddhist scriptures in retaliating against Muslims

First tell me why you are so stupid and ignorant. Do you know?

I have already told you, you are the stupid one in the first place in condemning others as stupid and ignorant.
So,
First tell me why you are so stupid and ignorant. Do you know?

I bet you don't know how you are so stupid [lack rationality] in grounding your beliefs in an illusion, i.e. faith and nothing on proofs nor reasonable reason.

• God is an Impossibility to be Real
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What you are driven with all the above stupidity is merely based on desperate psychology arising from an existential crisis.

Now, to support your claim,
Show me evidences Ashin Wirarthu quoted Buddhist scriptures in retaliating against Muslims

[Averroes]

I have already told you, you are the stupid one in the first place in condemning others as stupid and ignorant.

You have not answered my question. So, I ask you again: why you are so stupid and ignorant? Do you know?

[seeds]

I have already told you, you are the stupid one in the first place in condemning others as stupid and ignorant.

You have not answered my question. So, I ask you again: why you are so stupid and ignorant? Do you know?

Averroes, perhaps you are not aware of the fact that Veritas Aequitas has declared in writing...

(right here on this website)

...that he considers himself to be an equal in intellect to such historical figures as Copernicus, Galileo, Socrates, Einstein, Kant, and the likes.

And the point is, how dare you have the audacity to call a self-declared monument to genius, stupid and ignorant?

(Continued in next post)
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[seeds]

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(Continued from prior post)

Averroes, the bottom line is that neither you nor Veritas Aequitas are coming off as looking very intelligent with your school yard tit-for-tat exchange of:

You: “You’re stupid”
Him: “No, you’re stupid”
You: “No, you’re even stupider”
Him: “No, you’re even more stupider”

Are you guys 12 years old?
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