Why do men like to kill men?

[bahman]

The international courts that set the rules for war will disagree, as I do.

Control might be the wrong word. Guide might be better but I do not want to get sidetracked to the definition of words.

Some say that rules/laws are made to be broken and we both know that regardless or the rules, some few will try to get away with breaking them.

It is getting a lot harder though with our observing and investigating skills.

Regards
DL

I think you missed the important part of my message: You use science for evil if you have the evil gene.

I do not even know for sure that it exists, or how useful it is to us, but with zipper science, we can cure that condition.

That or just a drug cure. We know what drugs activate aggression and which can reduce it.

Those links a few posts above above are worth the listen.

Regards
DL

Evil for sure exist. Good or evil we are slave of our nature.

[Greatest I am]

The OP makes the baseless claim that men like to kill other men, and asks why this fallacious claim is true.

The OP could just as well have asked why vegans like to eat juicy cheeseburgers.

Men do in fact kill men. That doesn’t mean men like to.

How do you explain our last 5,000 of almost constant war history?

If killing and war are not our epitome of drama, which we love, what is?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

I think you missed the important part of my message: You use science for evil if you have the evil gene.

I do not even know for sure that it exists, or how useful it is to us, but with zipper science, we can cure that condition.

That or just a drug cure. We know what drugs activate aggression and which can reduce it.

Those links a few posts above above are worth the listen.

Regards
DL

Evil for sure exist. Good or evil we are slave of our nature.

Reading comprehension. Poor.

I was not disputing the existence of evil. I was disputing the existence of an evil creating gene.

FMPOV, our selfish gene is the one that creates all human to human evil.

It promotes love of self and our survival as well as hate to whatever would threaten that which we love.

We live in a dualistic universe and should not forget that every Yin has a Yang.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Men do in fact kill men. That doesn’t mean men like to.

It doesn't even mean they shouldn't "like" to, in some cases.

Most people would concede that if a man is defending his family against intruders, he's justified in using all force necessary. And they'll afterward proclaim him a hero for undertaking a level of violence of which neither his children nor his wife were capable. So I guess the public "likes" it too.

Likewise, an aggressor combatant, a terrorist or kidnapper, a peodophile or rapist or attempting murderer...many people would say that these people forfeit the normal human right not to be resisted with violence. And the public lauds as heroes those who enact sufficient violence to arrest these sorts of aggressors...even to the point of killing such people. So again, it seems the public "likes" that.

On the other hand, the men who did no violence to the homicidal Ghamil Garbi, who shot fourteen women to death at the Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal in, 1989 were (it is alleged) meekly herded out of the room beforehand -- and not one raised a hand against the maniac with the guns. Some people have suggested they were cowards, (https://www.macleans.ca/general/excusin ... -ran-away/) for not having "liked" to do anything to defend those women.

It seems the public doesn't always "like" passivity.

+ 1

We all want to be seen as heroes but few have what it takes and that is why we all mostly live vicariously through them.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

The biological and psychological characteristics one is born with do not determine anything one does.

Sigh.

I should not need to revisit this foolishness if you just answer one little question honestly that refutes your claim.

Are gays born gay?

Regards
DL

[bahman]

I do not even know for sure that it exists, or how useful it is to us, but with zipper science, we can cure that condition.

That or just a drug cure. We know what drugs activate aggression and which can reduce it.

Those links a few posts above above are worth the listen.

Regards
DL

Evil for sure exist. Good or evil we are slave of our nature.

Reading comprehension. Poor.

I was not disputing the existence of evil. I was disputing the existence of an evil creating gene.

FMPOV, our selfish gene is the one that creates all human to human evil.

It promotes love of self and our survival as well as hate to whatever would threaten that which we love.

We live in a dualistic universe and should not forget that every Yin has a Yang.

Regards
DL

If it is not in the gene then it is somewhere hidden in the mater that constructs gene.

[Immanuel Can]

Men do in fact kill men. That doesn’t mean men like to.

It doesn't even mean they shouldn't "like" to, in some cases. ...
It seems the public doesn't always "like" passivity.

+ 1

We all want to be seen as heroes but few have what it takes and that is why we all mostly live vicariously through them.

Well, okay.

But this raises a key question that puts a dent in the OP. We can't even take for granted that men "liking to kill men" is always a bad thing. Sometimes men "like to kill men" in order to protect women and children, and we make them into "heroes" when they do.

So, if we agree with that, then maybe the OP should read, "How can we get more men to like to kill men, so long as they do it for the right reasons and in the right ways?"

[Greatest I am]

Evil for sure exist. Good or evil we are slave of our nature.

Reading comprehension. Poor.

I was not disputing the existence of evil. I was disputing the existence of an evil creating gene.

FMPOV, our selfish gene is the one that creates all human to human evil.

It promotes love of self and our survival as well as hate to whatever would threaten that which we love.

We live in a dualistic universe and should not forget that every Yin has a Yang.

Regards
DL

If it is not in the gene then it is somewhere hidden in the mater that constructs gene.

I have said that it is in our selfish genes.

Just not the gene you think it is in.

It is in our love gene, not some other hate gene.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

It doesn't even mean they shouldn't "like" to, in some cases. ...
It seems the public doesn't always "like" passivity.

+ 1

We all want to be seen as heroes but few have what it takes and that is why we all mostly live vicariously through them.

Well, okay.

But this raises a key question that puts a dent in the OP. We can't even take for granted that men "liking to kill men" is always a bad thing. Sometimes men "like to kill men" in order to protect women and children, and we make them into "heroes" when they do.

So, if we agree with that, then maybe the OP should read, "How can we get more men to like to kill men, so long as they do it for the right reasons and in the right ways?"

I do not recall saying that killing was always a bad thing.

To your last.
I figure, if I did that, I would just get a lot of, ----- are you crazy, ---- replies.

Anyway, we have plenty of killers if we want them.

Regards
DL

[henry quirk]

The biological and psychological characteristics one is born with do not determine anything one does.


Are gays born gay?


Probably, but all that means is: when Joe Gayguy chooses to have sex, he'll probably be lookin' to have it with Stan rather than Louise.

Bein' gay (like bein' straight) is (perhaps) a hard-wired preference, it's not instinct.

Preference applies to all of human drives: a preference for chocolate doesn't preclude eatin' vanilla; likin' women curvy doesn't preclude bangin' a skinny chick; bein' prone to motion sickness doesn't preclude sailin', etc.

If man has an instinct then it is to be alive/be free.

Everything else is preference.

[Greatest I am]

The biological and psychological characteristics one is born with do not determine anything one does.


Are gays born gay?


Probably, but all that means is: when Joe Gayguy chooses to have sex, he'll probably be lookin' to have it with Stan rather than Louise.

Bein' gay (like bein' straight) is (perhaps) a hard-wired preference, it's not instinct.

Preference applies to all of human drives: a preference for chocolate doesn't preclude eatin' vanilla; likin' women curvy doesn't preclude bangin' a skinny chick; bein' prone to motion sickness doesn't preclude sailin', etc.

If man has an instinct then it is to be alive/be free.

Everything else is preference.

So we do not have an instinct to reproduce or be the fittest human. Ok.

I see hard wired as analogous to instincts.

So you being a heterosexual, if that is what you are, is a choice?

When did you choose to not be gay?

As to the desire for being free, we are tribal by nature and the word freedom does not apply to us as we have given it up a long time agao, if we ever had it, for the security of the tribe.

Regards
DL

[henry quirk]

we do not have an instinct to reproduce or be the fittest human. Ok.

Desire is not synonymous with instinct. Every time I've had sex it was because I wanted to and choose to. There were an equal number of occasions where I wanted to but chose not to.

Don't know about you, but I don't go into heat. I call the shots, not my tallywhacker.


So you being a heterosexual, if that is what you are, is a choice?

When did you choose to not be gay?

Did you read my post above?


As to the desire for being free, we are tribal by nature and the word freedom does not apply to us as we have given it up a long time agao, if we ever had it, for the security of the tribe.

Good lord, you're one of those.

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Mannie, is what grinds my gears.

[Greatest I am]

Well, to continue, we would have to waste time in the definition of words and that is not worth my time since you seem to like to play a word game.

Thanks for the chat Henry.

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

As to the desire for being free, we are tribal by nature and the word freedom does not apply to us as we have given it up a long time agao, if we ever had it, for the security of the tribe.

Good lord, you're one of those.

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Mannie, is what grinds my gears.

Yeah, I'm with you there.

If "the word freedom does not apply to us," then we cannot choose what we do. Men kill stuff. So do women. We can't choose to do anything else, so GIA isn't really in any position to complain about killing.

Fortunately for all of us who have a will, it's not how things are. Even the collectivists do HAVE the will...they've just used it to rationalize abdicating their personal responsibilities. Even then, their responsibility doesn't go away.

[henry quirk]

Thanks for the chat Henry.

Done already?

meh