Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

[Eodnhoj7]

How logical is it of you assert that there exists such a thing as morality where it is impossible to very with any empirical reality?
You are seriously self deluded.
You are nothing but nonsense. Your assertions are literally nonsense.

The majority of empirical reality is an abstraction through the facets of thought and memory. What we understand of reality is a perpetual "now" which is aligned in accords with this very same thought and memory. What we deem as empirical is built upon abstractions.

If there is no morality then to negate morality is to require some definition, that always must be negated, that exists along a continuum. As self assumed, along a continuum of definitions, it is grounded by it's very nature of self assumption, in a reciprocal nature.

Now tell me....what is logic?

You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you undermine empirical observation as just inner construction; but you still pretend that morals are out there.

False it is the cycling between empirical phenomena and abstractions that necessitate the cyclical nature of self reflection as being the primary origin of value placement. With value placement comes the formation of morality as a means of being through the synthesis of abstractions and empiricality.

I see you are struggling with reality.
Are you seeing anyone about your delusions?

[Eodnhoj7]

... - precisely what is illogical about Christianity?

EVERYTHING is illogical about Christianity.
I think my list of what is illogical is much bigger than anything you have that suggests it is logical.
SO why not answer my question?

Whilst you muse here is a small list of things that make Christianity illogical. It is not an exhaustive list, just a few things to go on...

Illogical Christianity.

1 Loving God promises barbaric punishments.
2. Death bed confessions allow maniacs like Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler to get to heaven.
3. God of the OT is basically dispensing genocide, disease, and famine on the unworthy.
4. How is Jesus' sacrifice logical? How can one person die for another's sins?
5. As long as you believe you seem to be able to act as you will. Absurd!
6. Infants get a free ticket to heaven. Why not just kill your child to save them from hell, then ask for forgiveness?
7. Christians seem to insist that life begins at conception. How come God keeps aborting kids with natural miscarriages (estimated at 25% of all pregnancies)?
8. Why are there no miracles to solve the world's starvation? Seem to be plenty in biblical times?
9. How can Christian claim the NT is the word of God when there are so many contradictions.
10. Prayer is inherently illogical with an omnipotent, omniscient god. Think about it!
11. Bible condones slavery.
12.Christianity accepts homosexuality yet it is condemned as an abomination in the Bible.
13. Women? Need I say more?
14. God's basic ignorance of science in his WORD>
15. One God, yet a multitude of secular interests and splinter groups willing to fight each other. Millions have died because of spliting.

16. What the 10 commandments COULD have done:
No proscription of slavery
No proscription of child endangerment
No proscription of bigotry
No proscription of racism
No proscription of sexism
No proscription of classism
No proscription of blackmail or bribery
No proscription of discrimination against LGBTQ persons
No proscription of incest
No proscription of torture or terrorism
No proscription of rape
No proscription against the mistreatment, exploitation, and relocation of native populations
No command to treat animals humanely
No command to take care of the Earth’s environment
No command to help others in need
No command to settle disputes peacefully
No command to distribute the Earth’s resources fairly.

The command against many of these assertions, using incest as an example, has already been stated in scriptures. The parable of the good samaritan is another example, one against racism and abuse (torture and terrorism by proxy).

No contradiction occurs as morality exists through a progressive revelation. What was permissible eventually becomes negated through an evolution of perspective. Morality is synthetic, as it progresses new and old moral codes synthesize.

You have yet to state what logic is, claiming something is illogical without asserting what is logical is a contradiction.

[Sculptor]

... - precisely what is illogical about Christianity?

EVERYTHING is illogical about Christianity.
I think my list of what is illogical is much bigger than anything you have that suggests it is logical.
SO why not answer my question?

Whilst you muse here is a small list of things that make Christianity illogical. It is not an exhaustive list, just a few things to go on...

Illogical Christianity.

1 Loving God promises barbaric punishments.
2. Death bed confessions allow maniacs like Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler to get to heaven.
3. God of the OT is basically dispensing genocide, disease, and famine on the unworthy.
4. How is Jesus' sacrifice logical? How can one person die for another's sins?
5. As long as you believe you seem to be able to act as you will. Absurd!
6. Infants get a free ticket to heaven. Why not just kill your child to save them from hell, then ask for forgiveness?
7. Christians seem to insist that life begins at conception. How come God keeps aborting kids with natural miscarriages (estimated at 25% of all pregnancies)?
8. Why are there no miracles to solve the world's starvation? Seem to be plenty in biblical times?
9. How can Christian claim the NT is the word of God when there are so many contradictions.
10. Prayer is inherently illogical with an omnipotent, omniscient god. Think about it!
11. Bible condones slavery.
12.Christianity accepts homosexuality yet it is condemned as an abomination in the Bible.
13. Women? Need I say more?
14. God's basic ignorance of science in his WORD>
15. One God, yet a multitude of secular interests and splinter groups willing to fight each other. Millions have died because of spliting.

16. What the 10 commandments COULD have done:
No proscription of slavery
No proscription of child endangerment
No proscription of bigotry
No proscription of racism
No proscription of sexism
No proscription of classism
No proscription of blackmail or bribery
No proscription of discrimination against LGBTQ persons
No proscription of incest
No proscription of torture or terrorism
No proscription of rape
No proscription against the mistreatment, exploitation, and relocation of native populations
No command to treat animals humanely
No command to take care of the Earth’s environment
No command to help others in need
No command to settle disputes peacefully
No command to distribute the Earth’s resources fairly.

The command against many of these assertions, using incest as an example, has already been stated in scriptures. The parable of the good samaritan is another example, one against racism and abuse (torture and terrorism by proxy).

What about the numerous genocides?
What about the examples where god condones incest?

No contradiction occurs as morality exists through a progressive revelation. What was permissible eventually becomes negated through an evolution of perspective. Morality is synthetic, as it progresses new and old moral codes synthesize.

You have yet to state what logic is, claiming something is illogical without asserting what is logical is a contradiction.

[Eodnhoj7]

EVERYTHING is illogical about Christianity.
I think my list of what is illogical is much bigger than anything you have that suggests it is logical.
SO why not answer my question?

Whilst you muse here is a small list of things that make Christianity illogical. It is not an exhaustive list, just a few things to go on...

Illogical Christianity.

1 Loving God promises barbaric punishments.
2. Death bed confessions allow maniacs like Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler to get to heaven.
3. God of the OT is basically dispensing genocide, disease, and famine on the unworthy.
4. How is Jesus' sacrifice logical? How can one person die for another's sins?
5. As long as you believe you seem to be able to act as you will. Absurd!
6. Infants get a free ticket to heaven. Why not just kill your child to save them from hell, then ask for forgiveness?
7. Christians seem to insist that life begins at conception. How come God keeps aborting kids with natural miscarriages (estimated at 25% of all pregnancies)?
8. Why are there no miracles to solve the world's starvation? Seem to be plenty in biblical times?
9. How can Christian claim the NT is the word of God when there are so many contradictions.
10. Prayer is inherently illogical with an omnipotent, omniscient god. Think about it!
11. Bible condones slavery.
12.Christianity accepts homosexuality yet it is condemned as an abomination in the Bible.
13. Women? Need I say more?
14. God's basic ignorance of science in his WORD>
15. One God, yet a multitude of secular interests and splinter groups willing to fight each other. Millions have died because of spliting.

16. What the 10 commandments COULD have done:
No proscription of slavery
No proscription of child endangerment
No proscription of bigotry
No proscription of racism
No proscription of sexism
No proscription of classism
No proscription of blackmail or bribery
No proscription of discrimination against LGBTQ persons
No proscription of incest
No proscription of torture or terrorism
No proscription of rape
No proscription against the mistreatment, exploitation, and relocation of native populations
No command to treat animals humanely
No command to take care of the Earth’s environment
No command to help others in need
No command to settle disputes peacefully
No command to distribute the Earth’s resources fairly.

The command against many of these assertions, using incest as an example, has already been stated in scriptures. The parable of the good samaritan is another example, one against racism and abuse (torture and terrorism by proxy).

What about the numerous genocides?
What about the examples where god condones incest?

The incest in genesis was prior to the revelation of incest being wrong in leviticus, deuteronomy and the new testament. It is revelatory by nature.

As to the genocides you have to elaborate as taken out of context, genocide and war are confused. Provide scripture, It is hypocritical to even argue the genocide remark as more people where killed under communist atheism within a hundred years than those killed in religious wars in the past several hundred. The "God is a murderer" argument is hypocritical

No contradiction occurs as morality exists through a progressive revelation. What was permissible eventually becomes negated through an evolution of perspective. Morality is synthetic, as it progresses new and old moral codes synthesize.

You have yet to state what logic is, claiming something is illogical without asserting what is logical is a contradiction.

What is logic? I am not answering any more scriptural arguments until you provide a definition for what logic is. Why? Because the whole argument will circle around an undefined term.

[Sculptor]

What is logic? I am not answering any more scriptural arguments until you provide a definition for what logic is. Why? Because the whole argument will circles around an undefined term.

If you don't know what it is then you have no right to start a thread which includes it in the title.
Now bugger off.

[Averroes]

Hi John. How are you?

Please my friend allow me to contribute to your thread.

I remember a time when I was following the Christian Bible which I got from my mother. I have a beautiful story on that which I would like to share with you if you allow me.

In my early teenage years(from about 13 or so I think), I used to read the Bible a lot. For example, The Book of Job I read a lot. Prophet Job(peace be upon him) has always been a model for me, and even now his story inspires me and teaches me righteousness. The story of Prophet Job(pbuh) is narrated and he is greatly praised in the Quran. If you are interested, Islamic scholars narrate this story in the light of the Holy Quran here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUiUjAFQaw8

I read much of the Jewish part of the Bible in my early years, even though I was raised in a Christian environment; went to Christian school, recited daily Christian prayers and all that.
Anyway, once I came across a verse in the OT which I had an impact on me so I had then decided to practice it from that day. This was a passage in Leviticus which reads as follows:

• 16 “‘When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
  (Leviticus 15:16-18)

Most Christians do not have such practices nowadays as you must already know even though it is written in the Bible they read. They say that supposedly an innocent man died and paid for their sins, so now they can do away with the OT and do whatever they want. I never could accept this kind of logic. I was very uncomfortable with the idea that an innocent person should pay for my sins. I thought and still think that it is very unjust for the innocent to pay for the criminals.

So, I was about 13 to 15 when I started to practice this verse. In hindsight, this makes a lot of sense now as this is the time when hormones start to build in the body, and you can guess the consequences for the young boy that I was then. And cleanliness is always better than uncleanliness.

Then many years later, I embraced Islam after having studied it and been convinced that it was the truth. Now, interestingly, the first thing after embracing Islam that I was told to do was to take a ritual bath known in Islam as Ghusl. Essentially, it was the bath I have been doing since my teenage years. In Islam, we have to wash the body completely after having had intercourse with our wives (or husband for women) or when semen is ejected from the body. In the Quran, Allah the All Wise says:

• O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.(Quran 5:6, interpretation of meaning)

Now I have come to interprete this story of mine as God, the Almighty preparing me to embrace Islam, the only religion that is accepted in His sight.

• And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.(Quran 3:85, interpretation of meaning)

My journey in Islam has been such a wonderful journey, I learned a lot since I embraced Islam.
May I invite you to embrace Islam my brother John?

Recently, I learned that someone that I appreciate a lot has embraced Islam. She is a YouTuber. She is Rosie Gabriel from Canada. I used to watch some of her videos when I had an opportunity. I found she had such a good heart. And also I like places she goes on her motorbike! A couple of days ago, I got the good news she embraced Islam.

You can check this beautiful video of hers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waIB1QP3l68

If Allah the Almighty wills, may be one day I will get good news from members embracing Islam on the forum as well. I never despair of the mercy of Allah, the Most Merciful.
Have a nice day John. Take care of yourself.

[Eodnhoj7]

What is logic? I am not answering any more scriptural arguments until you provide a definition for what logic is. Why? Because the whole argument will circles around an undefined term.

If you don't know what it is then you have no right to start a thread which includes it in the title.
Now bugger off.

I can't continue with the argument unless you present what defines logic. I already presented a definition, but you claim "illogic"...okay so what is "logic"?

[Eodnhoj7]

Hi John. How are you?

Please my friend allow me to contribute to your thread.

I remember a time when I was following the Christian Bible which I got from my mother. I have a beautiful story on that which I would like to share with you if you allow me.

In my early teenage years(from about 13 or so I think), I used to read the Bible a lot. For example, The Book of Job I read a lot. Prophet Job(peace be upon him) has always been a model for me, and even now his story inspires me and teaches me righteousness. The story of Prophet Job(pbuh) is narrated and he is greatly praised in the Quran. If you are interested, Islamic scholars narrate this story in the light of the Holy Quran here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUiUjAFQaw8

I read much of the Jewish part of the Bible in my early years, even though I was raised in a Christian environment; went to Christian school, recited daily Christian prayers and all that.
Anyway, once I came across a verse in the OT which I had an impact on me so I had then decided to practice it from that day. This was a passage in Leviticus which reads as follows:

• 16 “‘When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
  (Leviticus 15:16-18)

Most Christians do not have such practices nowadays as you must already know even though it is written in the Bible they read. They say that supposedly an innocent man died and paid for their sins, so now they can do away with the OT and do whatever they want. I never could accept this kind of logic. I was very uncomfortable with the idea that an innocent person should pay for my sins. I thought and still think that it is very unjust for the innocent to pay for the criminals.

So, I was about 13 to 15 when I started to practice this verse. In hindsight, this makes a lot of sense now as this is the time when hormones start to build in the body, and you can guess the consequences for the young boy that I was then. And cleanliness is always better than uncleanliness.

Then many years later, I embraced Islam after having studied it and been convinced that it was the truth. Now, interestingly, the first thing after embracing Islam that I was told to do was to take a ritual bath known in Islam as Ghusl. Essentially, it was the bath I have been doing since my teenage years. In Islam, we have to wash the body completely after having had intercourse with our wives (or husband for women) or when semen is ejected from the body. In the Quran, Allah the All Wise says:

• O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.(Quran 5:6, interpretation of meaning)

Now I have come to interprete this story of mine as God, the Almighty preparing me to embrace Islam, the only religion that is accepted in His sight.

• And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.(Quran 3:85, interpretation of meaning)

My journey in Islam has been such a wonderful journey, I learned a lot since I embraced Islam.
May I invite you to embrace Islam my brother John?

Recently, I learned that someone that I appreciate a lot has embraced Islam. She is a YouTuber. She is Rosie Gabriel from Canada. I used to watch some of her videos when I had an opportunity. I found she had such a good heart. And also I like places she goes on her motorbike! A couple of days ago, I got the good news she embraced Islam.

You can check this beautiful video of hers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waIB1QP3l68

If Allah the Almighty wills, may be one day I will get good news from members embracing Islam on the forum as well. I never despair of the mercy of Allah, the Most Merciful.
Have a nice day John. Take care of yourself.

Hi Averroes.

I am familiar with the ritual bath, I did it instinctively in my youth before even reading the verses in scripture. I interpret it as a ritual of purifying oneself from material aspects of reality prior to facing God (prayers, worship, etc.), but for a young man to do it instinctively implies some degree of divine inspiration somewhere.

As to my personal stance with Islam, I am neither for nor against it. If anything I believe there should be more dialogues between the faiths.

[Skepdick]

I am familiar with the ritual bath, I did it instinctively in my youth before even reading the verses in scripture. I interpret it as a ritual of purifying oneself from material aspects of reality prior to facing God (prayers, worship, etc.).

As to my personal stance with Islam, I am neither for nor against it. If anything I believe there should be more dialogues between the faiths.

In my twenties I landed up in a place in India where jews, muslims, christians, buddhists, hindus and whatever other creed you may have been, participated in collective prayer/worship. I am yet to experience such solidarity anywhere else.

The 'guru' used a few cheap parlour tricks/illusions to keep the crowds entertained. Long story short: it was a capitalist tactic for funding communal projects. Free universities, free water supply, free hospitals, free housing for lots and lots (few million) poor people.

The faith-seekers paid for what they wanted (enlightenment) - the poor got what they needed (paid for by the newly enlightened). The system worked.

And then Sam Harris tried to expose the "guru" as a charlatan because his magic tricks were amateurish. Intellectuals really fail to see the big picture of messy human affairs

[Skepdick]

16. What the 10 commandments COULD have done:
No proscription of slavery
No proscription of child endangerment
No proscription of bigotry
No proscription of racism
No proscription of sexism
No proscription of classism
No proscription of blackmail or bribery
No proscription of discrimination against LGBTQ persons
No proscription of incest
No proscription of torture or terrorism
No proscription of rape
No proscription against the mistreatment, exploitation, and relocation of native populations
No command to treat animals humanely
No command to take care of the Earth’s environment
No command to help others in need
No command to settle disputes peacefully
No command to distribute the Earth’s resources fairly.

Hindsight is always 20/20, eh? If you have such great insight into moral proclamations, could you tell us what commandments society in 4020 ought to put in place to address their (as yet unidentified and unlabelled) social/systemic/structural problems? What moral hazards lie ahead?

I am thinking, the words "terrorism", "environment", "discrimination" and "sexism" didn't exist until the phenomenon was identified as problematic and labelled by the society which faced those challenges.

[Eodnhoj7]

I am familiar with the ritual bath, I did it instinctively in my youth before even reading the verses in scripture. I interpret it as a ritual of purifying oneself from material aspects of reality prior to facing God (prayers, worship, etc.).

As to my personal stance with Islam, I am neither for nor against it. If anything I believe there should be more dialogues between the faiths.

In my twenties I landed up in a place in India where jews, muslims, christians, buddhists, hindus and whatever other creed you may have been, participated in collective prayer/worship. I am yet to experience such solidarity anywhere else.

The 'guru' used a few cheap parlour tricks/illusions to keep the crowds entertained. Long story short: it was a capitalist tactic for funding communal projects. Free universities, free water supply, free hospitals, free housing for lots and lots (few million) poor people.

The faith-seekers paid for what they wanted (enlightenment) - the poor got what they needed (paid for by the newly enlightened). The system worked.

And then Sam Harris tried to expose the "guru" as a charlatan because his magic tricks were amateurish. Intellectuals really fail to see the big picture of messy human affairs

True, yet the question of divinity remains.

[attofishpi]

... - precisely what is illogical about Christianity?

EVERYTHING is illogical about Christianity.
I think my list of what is illogical is much bigger than anything you have that suggests it is logical.
SO why not answer my question?

What QUEST_ION?

Whilst you muse here is a small list of things that make Christianity illogical. It is not an exhaustive list, just a few things to go on...

Before we kick off I think it's important you understand my stance on the bible.

Since God introduced himself to me in 1997, it was made very apparent to me that this entity wanted me to start breaking down embedded logic within the English LAN_GAUGE. Homophones etc...

So I find it really interesting that bible is a homophone to 'buy bull'. I often say to people - I don't buy bull. From experience, God persists at the backbone to ALL reality, and certainly would not have permitted this quirk if it hadn't wanted it. It does want us to challenge the bull within that book - not to just accept it.
It is no surprise then, that the bible kicks off with the most irrational bollocks of all - Genesis and God's 'word' speaking things into existence.

Illogical Christianity.

1 Loving God promises barbaric punishments.

- yep...and I can testify from my own experience that this IS the case.
- you need to understand that God had no easy ride in the formation of its own consciousness, it suffered immensely. This is a belief but one founded on what it made me experience.
- NOT illogical.

2. Death bed confessions allow maniacs like Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler to get to heaven.

- NO it doesn't.
- People that think - 'believe in me and you will go to heaven' have got it skewed wrong - these people OBVIOUSLY did not believe in Christ otherwise they would have lived their life according to what Christ stated.
- Foolish belief of some people (like these Latino gang members going around killing each other with a tatto of a crucifix over their chest! LMFAO for what is in store for those fools.
- NOT illogical

3. God of the OT is basically dispensing genocide, disease, and famine on the unworthy.

- apparently
- Jewish texts anyway - personally I'm not big on the OT
- I'll take the 10 Commandments and the gospels for my Christianity.
- NOT illogical (Christianity)

4. How is Jesus' sacrifice logical? How can one person die for another's sins?

- it's not as simple as that, as I have experienced the wrath of God - now I am borderline in heaven (just something i still need to do)
- what was it Jesus said? - "I have died so that you may live?" In other words - if you live your life according to Christ's teachings then perhaps you are worthy (of His sacrifice) and of reincarnation (as a wo\man) ..if you've been a Hitler or Bundy etc.. you get reincarnated into the BEAST (Hitler is a pig btw - they told me yesterday.)
- NOT illogical

5. As long as you believe you seem to be able to act as you will. Absurd!

- I've covered this above (point 2) - this is NOT true

6. Infants get a free ticket to heaven. Why not just kill your child to save them from hell, then ask for forgiveness?

- I have no idea what you are talking about.
- But while on this point about 'Hell' - a place where I have spent far too much time, this could be THE most illogical thing about Christianity. Who exactly is Christ saving us from? GOD!!!
- it's not illogical - but very ironic.

7. Christians seem to insist that life begins at conception. How come God keeps aborting kids with natural miscarriages (estimated at 25% of all pregnancies)?

- fuck nose
- NOT illogical

8. Why are there no miracles to solve the world's starvation? Seem to be plenty in biblical times?

- I always get a kick out of atheists insisting that if there is a God that we should already be in some sort of perfect heaven.
- just a wishful statement on your part - NOT illogical.

9. How can Christian claim the NT is the word of God when there are so many contradictions.

- it's the word of man about God. Big difference really.
- since God put me in hell for periods I decided to read the Gospels - I don't recall contradictions.

10. Prayer is inherently illogical with an omnipotent, omniscient god. Think about it!

- I tell U what - you are the one that needs to think about stuff!
- this omni shit that atheists like to bang on about gets on my tits
- is your point that there should be nothing to pray for - since God knows what you need and should just fix it!?
- Have a story: After I left hospital with a fractured arm in a cast - I didn't realise the prescription for pain killers could only be picked up at the hospital (and their pharmacy was shut when I realised it). Anyway, in bed in immense pain - pins and wires in my not so funny bone, I decided to say a prayer (Y not - this was 2005 - i've known God to exist since 97) and I asked for God to take the pain away. A voice said - "would you like me to erase that?" - of course I said yes - and ALL the pain vanished - such a relief - for about 10 minutes. Then the pain started to come back, and the voice said "Do you understand?" to which I replied something like "NO u fukin kunt" ...eventually the voice stated "Kiatsu" I had only ever heard of Shiatsu - so i bought the book!
- my mother is in a terrible state with Parkinson and other conditions - I pray for her - not sure why she just isn't fixed - it really is pissing me off to be quite honest.

11. Bible condones slavery.

- so what?
- just another statement that is NOT addressing what is illogical about CHRISTIAN beliefs

12.Christianity accepts homosexuality yet it is condemned as an abomination in the Bible.

- there are far too many Christians that believe this also so the blanket statement that Christianity accepts homos is false
- no it is NOT an abomination in the bible, and certainly NOT in Christ's teachings.

13. Women? Need I say more?

- I know! What more proof do you need that there is a God than a beautiful intelligent woman!

14. God's basic ignorance of science in his WORD>

- God IS everything, the fact that science cannot drill beyond subatomic matter to discover the generator of our reality - that's our problem or yours, being an atheist that will never discover the truth to the nature of reality without such means.

15. One God, yet a multitude of secular interests and splinter groups willing to fight each other. Millions have died because of spliting.

- bla bla bla - so what?
- so man is an idiot.

16. What the 10 commandments COULD have done:
No proscription of slavery
No proscription of child endangerment
No proscription of bigotry
No proscription of racism
No proscription of sexism
No proscription of classism
No proscription of blackmail or bribery
No proscription of discrimination against LGBTQ persons
No proscription of incest
No proscription of torture or terrorism
No proscription of rape
No proscription against the mistreatment, exploitation, and relocation of native populations
No command to treat animals humanely
No command to take care of the Earth’s environment
No command to help others in need
No command to settle disputes peacefully
No command to distribute the Earth’s resources fairly.

So what? Just because your wishlist didn't make it into the buy bull you think you have an argument that Christianity is illogical.

You have NOT made ONE statement that renders Christianity illogical. Thanks for playing.

[Sculptor]

What is logic? I am not answering any more scriptural arguments until you provide a definition for what logic is. Why? Because the whole argument will circles around an undefined term.

If you don't know what it is then you have no right to start a thread which includes it in the title.
Now bugger off.

I can't continue with the argument unless you present what defines logic. I already presented a definition, but you claim "illogic"...okay so what is "logic"?

If you want to begin a thread about logic then you you relly need to do your homework and not expect others to do it for you.
Now run along and find out what it is , THEN ask yourself if you've not been a silly boy trying to make the claims you have!!

[Sculptor]

So what? Just because your wishlist didn't make it into the buy bull you think you have an argument that Christianity is illogical.

You have NOT made ONE statement that renders Christianity illogical. Thanks for playing.

Before you comment on a post you not only have to read it but you also have to understand it.
So run along; take Eondehoj by the hand and go and do some work.
Like I told him You also will need to do your homework.

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So what? Just because your wishlist didn't make it into the buy bull you think you have an argument that Christianity is illogical.

You have NOT made ONE statement that renders Christianity illogical. Thanks for playing.

Before you comment on a post you not only have to read it but you also have to understand it.

If I thought the likes of you COMPREHEND things better than me, I'd shut up, so please shut up, you are officially scalped.