Philosophy Now Forum

Skepdick wrote:
You dont like having a Free Will do you ?

Stating a fact has got absolutely nothing to do with having a free will
Being aware of ones limitations is actually a very good thing to know

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:49 pm
Go bark up some other tree, or learn something new

Bollocks.

We are talking about societies, not bean counting.

https://www.academia.edu/1612547/Innova ... ng_Science

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:58 pm

Skepdick wrote:
Life on the moon ?
Life in space ?
Life on Mars ?

That sure solves the Meteorite hits Earth problem

What about the meteorite hits moon problem ?
What about the meteorite hits space station problem ?
What about the meteorite hits Mars problem ?

Hurry up and get some problem solvers solving these problems before we establish any colonies on them

How about pie in the sky colonisation?
I understand that many nut cases think we are all going to live like Star Trek.
Reality is that space is more hostile to life than anywhere on earth; we are adapted to live here and here is where we are going to stay.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:58 pm What about the meteorite hits moon problem ?
What about the meteorite hits space station problem ?
What about the meteorite hits Mars problem ?

Hurry up and get some problem solvers solving these problems before we establish any colonies on them

*sigh*

If a meteorite wipes out our Moon colony, Space stations, Mars or Earth it would be a catastrophic event with great many casualties.

But it will NOT be an extinction event.

An extinction event would require a meteorite hit ALL FOUR of our colonies at the SAME TIME.

If a meteorite wipes out Earth tomorrow - it's an extinction event!

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:02 pm How about pie in the sky colonisation?
I understand that many nut cases think we are all going to live like Star Trek.
Reality is that space is more hostile to life than anywhere on earth; we are adapted to live here and here is where we are going to stay.

So you have the same strategy as The Dinosaurs.

How did that work out for them?

Hope is not a strategy.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:41 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:58 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:41 am Do no harm???
LOL

https://truepublica.org.uk/united-state ... uk-silent/

Other non-signatories of the ban on landmines (including most of the world's major military powers): Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, China, Cuba, Egypt, Georgia, India, Iran, Israel, Kazakhstan, North Korea, South Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Lao PDR, Lebanon, Libya, Micronesia, Mongolia, Morocco, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Syria, Tonga, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vietnam.

Glad to see the USA dropping to the bottom of the pile of shit.
Good old Trump making the US no better than the worst countries of the world.

All we do at this point is to have a stockpile of something like 3 million mines. We don't use them (other than the Korean peninsula) and we don't export them. I assume the reason for keeping them is in case conventional war were to break out with another major power. They have them so we do too.

Sculptor wrote:
we are adapted to live here and here is where we are going to stay

We could live on the moon or on Mars but most us from now on will probably only ever live here
Astronauts can live in space for months on end and so space stations are also another possibility

Skepdick wrote:
So you have the same strategy as The Dinosaurs

How did that work out for them

Birds are the descendants of dinosaurs so they were successful in passing on their genes
That asteroid wiped out 95 per cent of life on Earth but that means 5 per cent survived

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:21 pm Birds are the descendants of dinosaurs so they were successful in passing on their genes
That asteroid wiped out 95 per cent of life on Earth but that means 5 per cent survived

Cool. Call it a success.

Would you gamble on a repeat performance?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:01 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:49 pm
Go bark up some other tree, or learn something new

Bollocks.

We are talking about societies, not bean counting.

https://www.academia.edu/1612547/Innova ... ng_Science

If you aren't talking about "bean counting" you have no idea what "stability" and "better" or "worse" means!

If you can't measure it - you can't improve it

No yardstick - no epistemology.

No measurement - no knowledge.

Skepdick wrote:
An extinction event would require a meteorite hit ALL FOUR of our colonies at the SAME TIME

How long before we actually have four colonies as this is just a fantasy at the moment and nothing else
So we should spend time and energy on getting the problem solvers to solve the problems here on Earth

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:26 pm How long before we actually have four colonies as this is just a fantasy at the moment and nothing else

You really keep shooting yourself in the foot with your cynical/nay-saying language.

At any given moment that we don't have a colony it's a "Fantasy". A vision. A goal. Until it's not.

Like every other OUGHT. It's an OUGHT until it becomes an IS.

It has to happen. The sooner the better.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:26 pm So we should spend time and energy on getting the problem solvers to solve the problems here on Earth

If that's a better gambit towards making us inter-stellar species - sure!

We aren't about to send people on suicide missions. Calculated risks only.

Skepdick wrote:
Would you gamble on a repeat performance ?

No idea but I predict the Second Law Of Thermodynamics is going to destroy absolutely everything within existence
Even black holes will have evaporated by the time it has succeeded in turning the Universe into an absolute vacuum

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:37 pm No idea but I predict the Second Law Of Thermodynamics is going to destroy absolutely everything within existence
Even black holes will have evaporated by the time it has succeeded in turning the Universe into an absolute vacuum

Yes it will (given our current understanding, which may be wrong). So what?

Is sooner extinction better than later extinction?

Skepdick wrote:
You really keep shooting yourself in the foot with your cynical nay saying language

Absolutely not because I am simply accepting that there are limitations to what can be done
I am not an idealist but a pragmatist and there is nothing remotely cynical about that at all