Should 'God' be taught is school? (Non religiously)

[Atla]

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If a God exists, since he didn't revealed himself in any way, I think it's actually more likely that he will put atheists into heaven and theists into hell. Atheists passed the test by not succumbing to weakness, not abandoning their ability to think which is the gift of human existence. Not make up all kinds of shit about some God that isn't there, even when threatened with eternal damnation.

[Eodnhoj7]

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If a God exists, since he didn't revealed himself in any way, I think it's actually more likely that he will put atheists into heaven and theists into hell. Atheists passed the test by not succumbing to weakness, not abandoning their ability to think which is the gift of human existence. Not make up all kinds of shit about some God that isn't there, even when threatened with eternal damnation.

Really...because if God does not exist then everything they say about him is made up as well.


Atheism has been, empirically, one of the largest scale groundings for mass murder in the 20th century alone. Atheist's are the biggest of all hypocrites, there institutions have killed or abused more people in the 20th century than the majority of "religious wars" they constantly complain about.


You come off as a fascist who represses his desire for a genocide so he can fit in public. I can just see you goose step in a korean dictator's army.

[Immanuel Can]

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If a God exists, since he didn't revealed himself in any way,

Yeah, if God didn't reveal Himself in any way, you might have a point. But then, he could blame neither Theists nor Atheists for getting things wrong. There was no information for anybody, then.

But what if He did? What if He made every reasonable effort, short of using overwhelming force that would destroy possibility of choice, to make it possible for people to freely believe in Him, and some people just wouldn't...

What then?

[seeds]

Anything. Surely an omnipotent God would be able to reveal himself?

Perhaps there is a reason for why God hides Himslef.

Right you are, bahman.

And in my own explorations as to what that “reason” might be, I have come to the conclusion that if God did not hide himself from us,...

(and by extension, hide our ultimate purpose and destiny from us)

...it could possibly result in the ending of all human life on earth.

As is witnessed in this thread, one of the chief complaints made by atheists/materialists is in regards to why God doesn’t reveal himself. Yet they never seem to consider (extrapolate) the possible (negative) consequences if he did.

You honestly think we don't consider that option?

Now I could be wrong, and I am certainly open to (cited/linked) information to the contrary,...

...however, I don’t believe for one second that any atheist has ever considered the possibility that if God revealed himself, that it might cause an ending to human life on earth.

On the other hand, what I do believe is that atheists are so busy patting themselves on the back for seeing-through and dismissing the mythological nonsense handed down to us in the world’s religions...

...that they cannot recognize how stupendously ridiculous it is to think that the unfathomable order of the universe is a product of chance.

You say that you have considered the option I presented.

Okay then, to test that assertion, allow me to present a little thought experiment:

Let’s assume that not only does God truly exist and operate from a transcendent level of reality,...

(a context of reality, mind you, that makes life on earth seem like a hell in comparison)

...but also that the “soul” (mind/consciousness) of every human is absolutely guaranteed to awaken into that higher context of reality at the moment of physical death.

Furthermore, imagine that the ultimate and eternal form of each human soul will be a “familial replication” of God’s form (as in the same species of being as God, with the same universe-creating potential).

And finally, to top all of that off, under no penalty or “final judgment” for anything they have done on earth, each human is completely free to enter that higher context of reality at any time they so desire, even by means of a quick and painless suicide.

Now with all of that in mind (again, as a thought experiment), and assuming that all of it was obvious and irrefutable to everyone, then how do you suppose humanity would respond to such knowledge?

And even more to the point, can you see any reason why it might be a good idea to keep that knowledge hidden from us?
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[Tesla]

you appear to be discussing Christianity. It says that there will be a new heaven and a new earth and the former will not remember the latter. That's the same as 'dead'.

But you will not get anywhere in the quest to find God by arguing with the text of a religion. When a 'real' God is discovered, it will be the only religion instead of the 7000+ we currently have on the planet.

You could discuss those other religions say, Islam, and compare notes on what you feel is crazy about blowing oneself up and getting a bunch of virgins to have sex with, but then, they could discuss what is crazy about a dead guy who got raised from the dead, disappeared, and said they'd come back, and only one witness testifies to all the witness, in a day and age 2000 years ago before anyone knew that thoughts happened in the brain, or if the moon was made of Swiss cheese.

all of them are 'crazy' in the sense they make extraordinary claims about a being science cannot find. Yet science can now interpret some brain waves and determine the thought, even press a key on a keyboard, and another person hundreds of miles away will have there brain stimulated to press a specific key. Science has created the technology to put a rover on mars. science can create gold by slamming two particles together. Science discovered how to take a dense mass and blow up this entire planet, yet science can find ZERO on this "God" or "gods" issue.

So, you can argue whether the religions you have chosen to believe and have been taught since children should be left alone, or examine the God issue closer outside of the religious realm and decide if maybe they should go the way of the Greek Gods on mount Olympus.those very Gods that Plato wrote of Socrates saying "We must believe what our fathers taught us of the gods is true". well. Should he have? should we?

[Atla]

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If a God exists, since he didn't revealed himself in any way, I think it's actually more likely that he will put atheists into heaven and theists into hell. Atheists passed the test by not succumbing to weakness, not abandoning their ability to think which is the gift of human existence. Not make up all kinds of shit about some God that isn't there, even when threatened with eternal damnation.

Really...because if God does not exist then everything they say about him is made up as well.


Atheism has been, empirically, one of the largest scale groundings for mass murder in the 20th century alone. Atheist's are the biggest of all hypocrites, there institutions have killed or abused more people in the 20th century than the majority of "religious wars" they constantly complain about.


You come off as a fascist who represses his desire for a genocide so he can fit in public. I can just see you goose step in a korean dictator's army.

Yeah that's not 'atheism'. Learn some history.

[Atla]

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If a God exists, since he didn't revealed himself in any way,

Yeah, if God didn't reveal Himself in any way, you might have a point. But then, he could blame neither Theists nor Atheists for getting things wrong. There was no information for anybody, then.

But what if He did? What if He made every reasonable effort, short of using overwhelming force that would destroy possibility of choice, to make it possible for people to freely believe in Him, and some people just wouldn't...

What then?

But he didn't.

[Atla]

Now I could be wrong, and I am certainly open to (cited/linked) information to the contrary,...

...however, I don’t believe for one second that any atheist has ever considered the possibility that if God revealed himself, that it might cause an ending to human life on earth.

On the other hand, what I do believe is that atheists are so busy patting themselves on the back for seeing-through and dismissing the mythological nonsense handed down to us in the world’s religions...

...that they cannot recognize how stupendously ridiculous it is to think that the unfathomable order of the universe is a product of chance.

You say that you have considered the option I presented.

Okay then, to test that assertion, allow me to present a little thought experiment:

Let’s assume that not only does God truly exist and operate from a transcendent level of reality,...

(a context of reality, mind you, that makes life on earth seem like a hell in comparison)

...but also that the “soul” (mind/consciousness) of every human is absolutely guaranteed to awaken into that higher context of reality at the moment of physical death.

Furthermore, imagine that the ultimate and eternal form of each human soul will be a “familial replication” of God’s form (as in the same species of being as God, with the same universe-creating potential).

And finally, to top all of that off, under no penalty or “final judgment” for anything they have done on earth, each human is completely free to enter that higher context of reality at any time they so desire, even by means of a quick and painless suicide.

Now with all of that in mind (again, as a thought experiment), and assuming that all of it was obvious and irrefutable to everyone, then how do you suppose humanity would respond to such knowledge?

And even more to the point, can you see any reason why it might be a good idea to keep that knowledge hidden from us?
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If you 'don’t believe for one second that any atheist has ever considered the possibility that if God revealed himself, that it might cause an ending to human life on earth' then that means that you think atheism means being an idiot. That's sad.

In your example it would indeed be a good idea for God not to reveal itself as humanity would descend into madness. Everything goes, not just atheists but murderers, rapists etc. also become gods at the end, it really doesn't matter at all what happens in this world.

I really hope your scenario isn't the case because it would mean that the infinite is overall populated by evil and stupid gods, and so absolute non-existence would be preferable. Unless we don't carry our personality over, but then again everything goes in this world. Luckily, it looks like a scenario specifically designed to explain the issue why we haven't encountered God yet.

Hmm even this philosophy itself becoming mainstream could speed up the destruction of the human race and the planet.

It doesn't really solve the unfathomable order thing though. Gods keep multiplying, create their own worlds. So we have many worlds, the multiverse belief does the same thing without transcendental gods / transcendental level of reality.

[Atla]

Guess I should stop with the off topic comments.

[Immanuel Can]

But he didn't.

So you say, I see.

But without any investigation at all, you affirm thereby that not one religious person, not one "religious" event -- like a miracle, a vision, a visitation, an incarnation, a prayer, a scripture, an intervention, a creation, or any interaction with the Divine of any kind, at any point in history or the future, has everbeen, or will ever be authentic. All attestations to the contrary are merely lies or deceptions of some kind.

Now, that COULD be true, at least in theory. But that's quite a bold claim, given the number and variety of claims others make that such things have happened; so your preclusion of that possibility would take quite some demonstration, wouldn't it.

Yet, you seem so confident. So I must assume you possess such a demonstration. I assume you would not be making a claim on evidence you knew to be badly insufficient, right? So what would that demonstration be?

[Nick_A]

Guess I should stop with the off topic comments.

Why? The intent of the thread has already been killed so there is no reason to stop. Just continue and enjoy the kill.

[Immanuel Can]

Guess I should stop with the off topic comments.

Why? The intent of the thread has already been killed...

If it has, Nick, the reason it's been "killed" is only that secularists are either unwilling or unable to investigate their own suppositions about the subject matter of how God should be "taught in school."

But that's the key issue: not merely "should" God be taught in school, but also "how should" God or religion be taught in school, if it should. The first is almost completely unanswerable if we don't deal with the second -- that is, unless we have no objection to straightforward propagandizing on Atheistic suppositions.

So far as I'm concerned, that's a "live" question.

[Eodnhoj7]

If a God exists, since he didn't revealed himself in any way, I think it's actually more likely that he will put atheists into heaven and theists into hell. Atheists passed the test by not succumbing to weakness, not abandoning their ability to think which is the gift of human existence. Not make up all kinds of shit about some God that isn't there, even when threatened with eternal damnation.

Really...because if God does not exist then everything they say about him is made up as well.


Atheism has been, empirically, one of the largest scale groundings for mass murder in the 20th century alone. Atheist's are the biggest of all hypocrites, there institutions have killed or abused more people in the 20th century than the majority of "religious wars" they constantly complain about.


You come off as a fascist who represses his desire for a genocide so he can fit in public. I can just see you goose step in a korean dictator's army.

Yeah that's not 'atheism'. Learn some history.

Communist Atheism Google it...learn some history.

[Eodnhoj7]

Guess I should stop with the off topic comments.

Why? The intent of the thread has already been killed so there is no reason to stop. Just continue and enjoy the kill.

That is what Atla does, he spams threads in order to kill them.

He can't argue, so he floods the thread with ad hominums.

[seeds]

Guess I should stop with the off topic comments.

Why? The intent of the thread has already been killed so there is no reason to stop. Just continue and enjoy the kill.

That is what Atla does, he spams threads in order to kill them.

He can't argue, so he floods the thread with ad hominums.

Aren’t all of these comments (including the one I am now writing) detracting from the intent of the thread?

Besides, I think that some of the questions that the author of the OP (tesla) has presented in his own posts have given us a little leeway to explore tangents.
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