HUMAN PERSONHOOD - THE CASE AGAINST ABORTION

[Nick_A]

There is no valid objective case against abortion.

If life is sacred then the life of the woman takes precedence over a mere potential life and it is wholly her decision if she allows this parasitic foetus to grow inside her, taking her sustenance.
It's no business of anyone else but her.

When once a certain class of people has been placed by the temporal and spiritual authorities outside the ranks of those whose life has value, then nothing comes more naturally to men than murder.
Simone Weil

You have proclaimed that this parasitic foetus lacks value so the desire to murder is justified. Seems clear enough. The only question is whose lives have value.

You cannot murder a piece of meat with no identity

But who supplies life saving identity? It can also be argued that the mother of the fetus is also just a piece of meat and it is up to her father to supply her identity necessary to decide if she lives or is aborted from society. As Simone said, without value a mother is just a piece of meat another piece of meat began to grow within. Who supplies their identity necessary to decide if they have value worthy of life?

[henry quirk]

There is no valid objective case against abortion.

If life is sacred then the life of the woman takes precedence over a mere potential life and it is wholly her decision if she allows this parasitic foetus to grow inside her, taking her sustenance.
It's no business of anyone else but her.

When once a certain class of people has been placed by the temporal and spiritual authorities outside the ranks of those whose life has value, then nothing comes more naturally to men than murder.
Simone Weil

You have proclaimed that this parasitic foetus lacks value so the desire to murder is justified. Seems clear enough. The only question is whose lives have value.

You cannot murder a piece of meat with no identity

An 'identity' you say is bestowed and that I say is intrinsic.

Old news.

[henry quirk]

You have proclaimed that this parasitic foetus lacks value so the desire to murder is justified. Seems clear enough. The only question is whose lives have value.

You cannot murder a piece of meat with no identity

But who supplies life saving identity? It can also be argued that the mother of the fetus is also just a piece of meat and it is up to her father to supply her identity necessary to decide if she lives or is aborted from society. As Simone said, without value a mother is just a piece of meat another piece of meat began to grow within. Who supplies their identity necessary to decide if they have value worthy of life?

Who indeed, Nick?

No, under Sculptor's scheme, it ain't nobody but politburo that determines personhood.

[Immanuel Can]

No, under Sculptor's scheme, it ain't nobody but politburo that determines personhood.

Yeah...right up until that politburo decides Sculptor's a Kulak, a Jew, an infidel, or a counter-revolutionary, and puts a bullet in the back of his noggin.

[henry quirk]

No, under Sculptor's scheme, it ain't nobody but politburo that determines personhood.

Yeah...right up until that politburo decides Sculptor's a Kulak, a Jew, an infidel, or a counter-revolutionary, and puts a bullet in the back of his noggin.

Yep. I said that up-thread. Let him be deemed as non-person and watch how quick he embraces intrinsic personhood.

[uwot]

But for the child, "life" is absolutely the issue. The child will be torn to pieces and vacuumed into a sink, or have scissors shoved down the back of her neck and her spine sliced, skull vacuumed of brain, and then be thrown in a trash bin or sold for parts.

The thing I don't get is what happens to the soul? Take me, for instance: would it have been better for me in the long run to have gone through a bit of vacuuming, even scissors in the back of the neck, rather than suffer the eternity of torture you believe is my fate and which, out of the goodness of your heart, you are doing nothing to prevent?

[henry quirk]

The thing I don't get is what happens to the soul?

If you've self-relied and self-directed: you go to Valhalla where you can war and whore for eternity.

If you've relied and been directed: you reincarnate as a dog (one of them pussy breeds).

[uwot]

The thing I don't get is what happens to the soul?

If you've self-relied and self-directed: you go to Valhalla where you can war and whore for eternity.

Sounds a bit like being alive. Not sure that's how Mr Can plans to spend eternity.

[henry quirk]

The thing I don't get is what happens to the soul?

If you've self-relied and self-directed: you go to Valhalla where you can war and whore for eternity.

Sounds a bit like being alive. Not sure that's how Mr Can plans to spend eternity.

I leave the Christian afterlife to the Christians.

Mine promises war and whores

[uwot]

I leave the Christian afterlife to the Christians.

Mine promises war and whores

Sounds like fun. Who knows? Maybe see you there.

[henry quirk]

I leave the Christian afterlife to the Christians.

Mine promises war and whores

Sounds like fun. Who knows? Maybe see you there.

You're atheist, yeah? If so: nope. Valhalla is for believers.

[uwot]

You're atheist, yeah?

True.

If so: nope. Valhalla is for believers.

Ah well, better get me wars and whores in here then. Not sure you're my kinda whore. Fancy a war?

[henry quirk]

You're atheist, yeah?

True.

If so: nope. Valhalla is for believers.

Ah well, better get me wars and whores in here then. Not sure you're my kinda whore. Fancy a war?

I'm always up for war, if I find the cause just. Right now, I got no real quarrel with you. You're a commie, though, yeah? I guess I could work up a head of steam about that if push came to shove. But: you're way the hell across the water, so that takes some of the starch out of my boxers.

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About an afterlife: all bullshit aside, there's nuthin' in my deism that demands or promises an afterlife (either as reward or punishment). I'd like to believe I get to go to Valhalla, but I don't.

[uwot]

I'm always up for war, if I find the cause just. Right now, I got no real quarrel with you. You're a commie, though, yeah?

Well, I like stuff: motorbikes, beer, hospitals, holidays and whatnot, and I don't mind paying the people who design and make all that happen. I don't care for the fact that a whack of what I pay for something goes to people who had fuck all to do with making it. If that makes me a commie, as you define it, then yeah, I'm a commie, though it's not something I'd call myself.

About an afterlife: all bullshit aside, there's nuthin' in my deism that demands or promises an afterlife (either as reward or punishment). I'd like to believe I get to go to Valhalla, but I don't.

Who knows? The fact that there is a universe, life and consciousness is so bonkers that no explanation and no possibility is so ridiculous that it couldn't be true.

[henry quirk]

Well, I like stuff: motorbikes, beer, hospitals, holidays and whatnot, and I don't mind paying the people who design and make all that happen.

Me too.

I don't care for the fact that a whack of what I pay for something goes to people who had fuck all to do with making it.

I probably agreed, but you'll have to name the parasites before I can do so without reservation.

If that makes me a commie, as you define it, then yeah, I'm a commie, though it's not something I'd call myself.

So far you don't seem very commie.

Who knows? The fact that there is a universe, life and consciousness is so bonkers that no explanation and no possibility is so ridiculous that it couldn't be true.

Agreed, so: I'll keep a candle burnin' for Odin's Hall.