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Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:33 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Recently "literally" has accepted the change to it more common use "figuratively". Such changes can literally make people's blood boil!!!
There are no true, pure and proud origins. Plato was, and remains wrong.
Nah, man. This is actually a really great counter-example showing that convention doesn't decide the meaning of a word, no matter how many people misuse it. You did say they haven't added that misuse to any major dictionary yet, right?
Anything can happen in a myth. But as we all know, I don't need a myth, because Plato.
Convention is everything.
Words are inventions.
You are insane.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:35 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:So here's the deal: philosophy involves self-cultivation. Self-Cultivation makes us happier, life easier, and the world a better place. Here is a visual repesentation of self-cultivation:
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Part of philosophy can be about self cultivation, not necessarily.
ANd it does not necessarily lead to a happier life.
Happiness can be sought by abandoning the arrogance and sheer hubris of the myth of the self, and self improvement.
Just ask Camus.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:38 am
by Jaded Sage
Insanely wise.
I am using a different (better) definition. We've been over this. Also my definition of self-cultivation necessarily leads to happiness. I mean, that's really the only kind worth doing.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:45 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:Insanely wise.
I am using a different (better) definition. We've been over this. Also my definition of self-cultivation necessarily leads to happiness. I mean, that's really the only kind worth doing.
I could ask you to prove it. But you'd just get embarrassed.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:49 am
by Jaded Sage
That self-cultivation leads to happiness?
I've been working on it for a while. I've got some of the sense, but I've yet to type anything. You'd have to give me some time as this would be a major undertaking.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:52 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:That self-cultivation leads to happiness?
I've been working on it for a while. I've got some of the sense, but I've yet to type anything. You'd have to give me some time as this would be a major undertaking.
Many unhappy people have spent their lives in self-cultivation just to come to the realisation that their lives have been a futile waste of time, and they have realised that they never took the trouble to take care of others, or have some fun - too busy being self cultivating.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:00 am
by Jaded Sage
Yeah, they did it wrong. My version of self-cultivation leads to happiness.
You have a habit of ignoring certain points. You're better than that, dude. It's beneath you. But really I've only noticed it when it comes to words, like when it comes to new definitions. You yourself said convention is everything. Is there a certain percentage of the population that has to agree before the originals are considered correct?
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:04 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:Yeah, they did it wrong. My version of self-cultivation leads to happiness.
You have a habit of ignoring certain points. You're better than that, dude. It's beneath you. But really I've only noticed it when it comes to words, like when it comes to new definitions. You yourself said convention is everything. Is there a certain percentage of the population that has to agree before the originals are considered correct?
You are yet young there is still time for you to realise the mistake you are making.
Did you miss this bit???
Its a tacit implication of all existentialism; not a specific doctrine.
It is interesting that the act of what you might call re-inventing yourself, becoming the author of your life, and allowing yourself to become absorbed into the role that you cut out for yourself in life can so easily be seen as being a poseur, especially if the act you are playing is not terribly convincing.
The art of spotting a poseur is part of the game, as the poseur-spotter takes a high ground in that he can claim to observe, what others do not, that the poseur has managed to fool some, but not him. In other words some people are copyists, and thus not "authentic"
Artist have to craft themselves to break into the "art world". There are many I feel are posing and pretend, even to themselves that they are sincere.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:09 am
by Jaded Sage
Hobbes' Choice wrote:Jaded Sage wrote:Yeah, they did it wrong. My version of self-cultivation leads to happiness.
You have a habit of ignoring certain points. You're better than that, dude. It's beneath you. But really I've only noticed it when it comes to words, like when it comes to new definitions. You yourself said convention is everything. Is there a certain percentage of the population that has to agree before the originals are considered correct?
You are yet young there is still time for you to realise the mistake you are making.
Did you miss this bit???
Its a tacit implication of all existentialism; not a specific doctrine.
It is interesting that the act of what you might call re-inventing yourself, becoming the author of your life, and allowing yourself to become absorbed into the role that you cut out for yourself in life can so easily be seen as being a poseur, especially if the act you are playing is not terribly convincing.
The art of spotting a poseur is part of the game, as the poseur-spotter takes a high ground in that he can claim to observe, what others do not, that the poseur has managed to fool some, but not him. In other words some people are copyists, and thus not "authentic"
Artist have to craft themselves to break into the "art world". There are many I feel are posing and pretend, even to themselves that they are sincere.
Nah, son. I speak from experience. A major reason for my happiness is self-cultivation.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:11 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:. You yourself said convention is everything. Is there a certain percentage of the population that has to agree before the originals are considered correct?
Convention concerning definition.
If a person speaks a word and it is understood as per the intention of the utterer, then that is enough.
There are no fixed meanings.
You might like to read some Derrida on this. He says that the relationship between the signified and the signifier is arbitrary.
This should be obvious enough when we compare different languages and how they treat the same object.
For example 'water' is 'air' in Indonesian.
And the colour black in English is negro in Spanish. Try saying that in mixed company.
Now try to trace the changing meanings of "Creole"
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:19 am
by Jaded Sage
C'mon, man. Don't dodge the question. That's for little bitches.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:22 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:C'mon, man. Don't dodge the question. That's for little bitches.
What question was that?
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:26 am
by Jaded Sage
The question meaning the point. You argue over words then say as long as two people understand each other that is enough.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:28 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:The question meaning the point. You argue over words then say as long as two people understand each other that is enough.
So, I answered the question. What is your problem?
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:29 am
by Jaded Sage
I guess I'm saying you're kind of a hypocrite, lol.
No offense.