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Posted: **Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:36 am**

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:40 am
I AM THAT I AM, won't do!

I agree. That's just not enough for some folks.

It's not enough to realise that the illumination aware of the 'characters' in a nightly dream, aka the apparent( sleep state) is the same illumination aware of the 'characters' in the apparent (awake state).

And that both the sleep and awake states are the same one illumination being asleep and awake simultaneously,dreaming difference where there is none in this conception, the dream state, the only knowing that can be known.

But for some characters,there's just got to be more than this, surely! there's just got to be more than 'me' just being an illusion.

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Posted: **Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:15 pm**

Myth is the other man's religion. Which was once an oral tradition that changed with time and circumstances, the printed world concretized the word; making it unnatural in a world where change is the only constant.

Posted: **Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:00 pm**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:36 am But for some characters, there's just got to be more than this, surely! there's just got to be more than 'me' just being an illusion.

Illusion or not, what difference does it make; does it change anything? Weird it is that even as illusion, we know the illusion must die; so too, its extension into an afterlife. Death is the one reality the illusion must commit to or as rendered in German...Die Frist ist um.

Work your way backwards from there and the illusion fades...life forcing its reality forward. One can metaphorically walk from one side to its opposite and not even notice having moved! The wealthy will continue to enjoy their wealth and the poor will still endure their misery until both are finalized!

Illusion or not, is not only the least problem; it's NO problem!

Only when time's mirror ceases to reflect anything relating to humanity as it once was, that's when our collective existence gets demoted into what may be truly regarded a mirage.

Time may create the effect of illusion, but it's the moment which creates the reality.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:54 am**

Christianity is not about what philosophy, most of it that is, concerns itself with. So, when a philosopher and a Christian priest meet, expect a fire that doesn't burn but still hurts.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:26 am**

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:00 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:36 am But for some characters, there's just got to be more than this, surely! there's just got to be more than 'me' just being an illusion.
Illusion or not, what difference does it make; does it change anything? Weird it is that even as illusion, we know the illusion must die; so too, its extension into an afterlife. Death is the one reality the illusion must commit to or as rendered in German...Die Frist ist um.

Work your way backwards from there and the illusion fades...life forcing its reality forward. One can metaphorically walk from one side to its opposite and not even notice having moved! The wealthy will continue to enjoy their wealth and the poor will still endure their misery until both are finalized!

Illusion or not, is not only the least problem; it's NO problem!

Only when time's mirror ceases to reflect anything relating to humanity as it once was, that's when our collective existence gets demoted into what may be truly regarded a mirage.

Time may create the effect of illusion, but it's the moment which creates the reality.

I agree with this, very well said.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm**

Note to God:

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo ... c1a3ddaf6f

"'Runaway' black hole the size of 20 million suns found speeding through space with a trail of newborn stars behind it"

And, hopefully, You will make sure that in hurtling through space, it doesn't someday day collide with and destroy entire inhabited planets. Earth for example.

Although I wouldn't put it past You.

Edit:

"Nasa’s James Webb Space Telescope has found a set of massive galaxies that should not exist.

The equipment was used to observe a set of massive galaxies that formed around 500-700 million years after the Big Bang, when the universe was only 3 per cent of its current age. Those galaxies have stellar masses as high as ten billion times that of our Sun, and one that could be as massive as 100 billion of our Sun."

Who knew that God's mysterious ways could go this far!!

Anyone here?

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:44 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:02 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:55 pm How do you know what you know and why do you believe what you believe?
Well, if left to ourselves, neither you nor I nor anybody else would be in a position to say, obviously. Unless God makes it known, in some form, we're never going to know about Him. So the question becomes, "Has God spoken, and if so, where?" That's step 1.

But if we're going to continue in that vein, we should move to the "Christianity" thread. This one's about Wokeness, and I'm reluctant to hijack it.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:50 pm**

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:44 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:02 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:55 pm How do you know what you know and why do you believe what you believe?
Well, if left to ourselves, neither you nor I nor anybody else would be in a position to say, obviously. Unless God makes it known, in some form, we're never going to know about Him. So the question becomes, "Has God spoken, and if so, where?" That's step 1.

But if we're going to continue in that vein, we should move to the "Christianity" thread. This one's about Wokeness, and I'm reluctant to hijack it.

It's time to unsubcribe from this thread, I don't have the stomach to witness whats coming.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:30 am**

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:50 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:44 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:02 pm
Well, if left to ourselves, neither you nor I nor anybody else would be in a position to say, obviously. Unless God makes it known, in some form, we're never going to know about Him. So the question becomes, "Has God spoken, and if so, where?" That's step 1.

But if we're going to continue in that vein, we should move to the "Christianity" thread. This one's about Wokeness, and I'm reluctant to hijack it.

It's time to unsubcribe from this thread, I don't have the stomach to witness whats coming.

Yeah. Probably best to leave Christianity to drug addicts, alcoholics, and prison inmates. They seem to get the vibe more than most. That should tell us all something.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:38 am**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:30 am Probably best to leave Christianity to drug addicts, alcoholics, and prison inmates. They seem to get the vibe more than most. That should tell us all something.

Christianity has always seen value in people the world despises...the poor, the humble, the rejected, the lost, the weary, the defeated, the downtrodden, and even the mentally ill. They're all "in the image of God," to quote Genesis, and as such, all have dignity.

So, yeah. Why not?

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:50 am**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:38 am
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:30 am Probably best to leave Christianity to drug addicts, alcoholics, and prison inmates. They seem to get the vibe more than most. That should tell us all something.
Christianity has always seen value in people the world despises...the poor, the humble, the rejected, the lost, the weary, the defeated, the downtrodden, and even the mentally ill. They're all "in the image of God," to quote Genesis, and as such, all have dignity.

So, yeah. Why not?

Yeah. We can be like "Jerry's kids." Have a telethon or something and put us on a poster. No thanks. I'd rather have a decent date on a Saturday night. If you can donate me a girlfriend, I'd much appreciate it. Good luck arranging that. I'd try the "Make-a-Wish Foundation" but I doubt they could find anything short of a prostitute to give me.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:01 am**

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:50 am If you can donate me a girlfriend, I'd much appreciate it. Good luck arranging that. I'd try the "Make-a-Wish Foundation" but I doubt they could find anything short of a prostitute to give me.

I don't know, Gary...it seems to me you're putting a whole lot of expectation, hope and pressure on an ordinary girl. She's likely to turn out not to be an angel sent to meet all your longings, but rather a human being with her own set of complicated messed-upness, and just as much in need of healing as you perhaps are. You might think she's your answer, but I suspect she won't be; and I'm pretty sure she won't thank you for being cast in that role. It's a lot of pressure to have to live up to somebody's expectations.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:12 am**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:01 am
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:50 am If you can donate me a girlfriend, I'd much appreciate it. Good luck arranging that. I'd try the "Make-a-Wish Foundation" but I doubt they could find anything short of a prostitute to give me.
I don't know, Gary...it seems to me you're putting a whole lot of expectation, hope and pressure on an ordinary girl. She's likely to turn out not to be an angel sent to meet all your longings, but rather a human being with her own set of complicated messed-upness, and just as much in need of healing as you perhaps are. You might think she's your answer, but I suspect she won't be; and I'm pretty sure she won't thank you for being cast in that role. It's a lot of pressure to have to live up to somebody's expectations.

Then I'll have to settle with nothing if that's all that's out there for me. I may as well twiddle my thumbs for the rest of my life. I've nothing better to do.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:49 am**

iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm Note to God:

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo ... c1a3ddaf6f

"'Runaway' black hole the size of 20 million suns found speeding through space with a trail of newborn stars behind it"

And, hopefully, You will make sure that in hurtling through space, it doesn't someday day collide with and destroy entire inhabited planets. Earth for example.

Although I wouldn't put it past you.

The point of this... is mind numbingly pointless. It's obvious by now that the universe is a totally mindless, brainless,wreckless, unintelligent,unconcerned battle ground of mysterious unnecessary events, seriously lacking any form of dignity or sympathy in it's useless indifference to force life to be at a very high cost to itself, it's an extreme farce to be reckoned with. The sheer endurance test alone is beyond all logic, and sensibility, and is totally lacking any proper vadility and reason to be...apart from the idea, it is an unwavering rock steady,determined unconditional display of love, loving itself.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:42 am**

iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm Note to God:

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo ... c1a3ddaf6f

"'Runaway' black hole the size of 20 million suns found speeding through space with a trail of newborn stars behind it"

And, hopefully, You will make sure that in hurtling through space, it doesn't someday day collide with and destroy entire inhabited planets. Earth for example.

Although I wouldn't put it past you.

Here you are more or less asking, What is the point of Creation, Itself?

Now, if this is what you are, more or less, asking here, then the answer is because there is NO other way.

Creation has been in Existence forever-now, and so to MUST ALWAYS. And, the ACTUAL POINT of Creation is to bear witness to the beauty 'I' am Creating. Now you are absolutely FREE to take 'that' absolutely ANY way you like and want to.

As for, in relation to a so-called 'entire inhabited planet', earth for example, being in the path of and in a collision course with a black hole, then this sounds like only someone who has become entitled would say and/or would be concerned about.

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