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Blaggard wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bt9xBu ... 5Q&index=1
Cool bird.

No that bird is exhibiting a mental illness, comments disabled says it all. One wonders if the asshole ever actually got that bird out of his hell hole, before he though to "invent" music to go with the birds pain.

I have owned a parrot, they don't move like that unless they are distressed, training a birds natural behaviour to coincide with a song that was never actually playing in the vid is cruel. :[

I might be wrong and often are, but why no comments?

I wondered about that too and looked into it. It's not a unique phenomenon. There was something on Animal Planet about it. I don't see why birds and other animals wouldn't respond to music. I had a cat that adored music. Have you ever seen Nora the piano-playing cat? Some animals are just very musical, like some people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fGQLHKx-Y0

Wiki article about another dancing bird called Snowball:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_%28cockatoo%29

Cause or correlation. I have no doubt animals have a knack, even a superlative skill for sound, but is it because it is an attention seeking behaviour, that is reinforced by humans rather than for the pleasure it gives them. Hard to know...

If they did that without any input from humans, I would be far more convinced. I am not saying animals are dumb, au contraire, I am saying humans are, because they read things into things that maybe they shouldn't.

Juries out and until it's in I think humans should beware of assumption. My dog barks at nothing for attention because I have trained him to be vigilant. Before that he didn't... Most parrots in the wild do not mimic anything except "nature" consistently, probably a survival mechanism when under stress from predators, there are few birds that do, the mocking bird does, or does it. think on.

Blaggard wrote:Cause or correlation. I have no doubt animals have a knack, even a superlative skill for sound, but is it because it is an attention seeking behaviour, that is reinforced by humans rather than for the pleasure it gives them. Hard to know...

If they did that without any input from humans, I would be far more convinced. I am not saying animals are dumb, au contraire, I am saying humans are, because they read things into things that maybe they shouldn't.

Juries out and until it's in I think humans should beware of assumption. My dog barks at nothing for attention because I have trained him to be vigilant. Before that he didn't... Most parrots in the wild do not mimic anything except "nature" consistently, probably a survival mechanism when under stress from predators, there are few birds that do, the mocking bird does, or does it. think on.

We are all animals. Birds can sing a lot better than we do. Music isn't man made.

Well it does not happen that often VT, but we are going to have to agree to disagree.i

Echo and the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon

..."fate, up against your will.." - fitting of a philosophy forum..i fink.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWz0JC7afNQ

Sadly most people were brought to that song only by Donnie Darko, it was always a killing tune. Mind you you can't live in the 80s unless you were born in the 70s and that's no ones fault not even the Romans...

I loved 80s music, but it is overrated, by people who listen only to their own memespace in their minds. That said it was a better decade than most, I think the 60s ruled music though. It was the freedom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSoOFn3wQV4

One of those songs that is trite but true.

White Freckles - she got them at the tanning salon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfmXcIaN5aY

Check this song by LA singer song writer Ariel Pink, called Red Lipstick. In it, he sings at some point, "where are the girls", which is a great line, as it suggests there aren't any, but inbetween this, you can hear him almost whisper "where are the men", which is double great, at around 1:15, this is music as art. Where are the men, is a great thing to say in our contemporary malaise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhdgGWIqL4U

Another great track/bit from Donnie Darko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsyfGwlf_l0

Pluto wrote:Another great track/bit from Donnie Darko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsyfGwlf_l0

SPOILERS!!!!!




Absolutely. If anyone can explain the entire plot of that film in explicit detail I am all ears. The best I can do is say Donnie eventually suicides to keep the good trouser leg of time safe, and hence his imaginary bunny lives through the sliver of his mirror caught in a bunnies eye; hence the ending where they wake up feeling "safe for the first time", even Donnie has a smile on his face and he is kinda dead. But frankly it's mind bending, which is why it is so good. Time travel is always psychotropic.

If you haven't seen it and you were born in the 70s watch it, you will love it.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls it tolls for thee. Time marches on as Metallica once said. And speaking from Donnie Darko to Metallica here's a classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufzYWghmayI

"I've got something to say, I raped your mother today."

Angry. angry men. But they did bring it around in the end. Cleverly written.

Pluto wrote:Another great track/bit from Donnie Darko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsyfGwlf_l0

Ah yes Tears for Fears..
Yeah i bought the Donnie Darko soundtrack after watching the film, so good to see classic 80s songs revived for such an awesome film.

When i listen to that song, its like you can feel the time drifting and surging back from a distant era - hence why it so suited DD.

For me the clean sounding British 80s music was the best, and then the grunge of the US 90s reigned supreme....alas, not a lot really grabs me much more with new music, must be getting old!

80's revival it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9gKyRmic20

attofishpi wrote:

Pluto wrote:Another great track/bit from Donnie Darko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsyfGwlf_l0

Ah yes Tears for Fears..
Yeah i bought the Donnie Darko soundtrack after watching the film, so good to see classic 80s songs revived for such an awesome film.

When i listen to that song, its like you can feel the time drifting and surging back from a distant era - hence why it so suited DD.

For me the clean sounding British 80s music was the best, and then the grunge of the US 90s reigned supreme....alas, not a lot really grabs me much more with new music, must be getting old!

Life, it's a kinda magic, if life is sliding by day by day with ennui, you haven't put some grease on the slide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p_1QSUsbsM

Speaking of which:

"A day will dawn of sanity"

80s theme.

Night Boat to Cairo..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLLL1KxpYMA