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Panamanian country folk music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2tNZ7b85rA

Like the basic tune, but it's too over produced for my liking Condor. It seems if it is Panamanian music he could probably do it live without pressing too many buttons, with a real band. That's just me though I think over use of synth is evil. Generally song 7/10 the music 3/10 could do with a few more real musicians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFQ1TSzdpRA

Something like this is a little more musical I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KctjFfAEFhA

The actual instruments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMJT-mL2GKk

And something more like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mC3WctU1IQ

ok too many links but you get the point I like to watch artists perform a voice is fine, a band of brothers better.

Evil surrounds sus

Je 'sus'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPC3LuRDiAI

Probably not a video to watch if you dropped a tab recently.^^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-90obSa1Az4

QotSA.

Blaggard wrote:Like the basic tune, but it's too over produced for my liking Condor. It seems if it is Panamanian music he could probably do it live without pressing too many buttons, with a real band. That's just me though I think over use of synth is evil. Generally song 7/10 the music 3/10 could do with a few more real musicians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFQ1TSzdpRA

Something like this is a little more musical I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KctjFfAEFhA

The actual instruments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMJT-mL2GKk

And something more like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mC3WctU1IQ

ok too many links but you get the point I like to watch artists perform a voice is fine, a band of brothers better.

I see your point, but let me explain that this is not over produced, since it is exactly as it sounds live. Actually these musicians make their living on the road, traveling from one town festivity to another. Recordings are usually more for promotion than for sales profit. This is country music in the same way that you think of commercial country music in the US (not like bluegrass with banjo). You can see a live presentation from the same musician here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GewdywRKhxg

I guess that by "synth" you mean the accordion.

For a more bluegrass type of Panamanian music you can take a look at this (just for expanding cultural horizons, I don't pretend anyone liking local folk music from anywhere):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yMMUARl4Pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2wFCWuesT4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk4Bi6P4yXs

Oh ok I just thought it sounded a little over synthesised, not the accordion clearly that was a musician I meant more the backing behind it. My apologies, clearly I was wrong. I did like the tune though.

I didn't mean bluegrass in the way you use it, I just meant that song was not on the whole live artists and it sounded overly produced, which was wrong clearly. Hell you can sit in a studio all day on your own with nothing but a voice and produce good music, but sometimes when the producers get to it, it's got no balls, cojones as you would say.

And you are right, backing ryhthms tend to be rather simple for people to dance to. Simple enough to be reproduced with a synth's sound bank. The same goes for Dominican Republic's merengue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYSBMNGDC00

I think if you really like music you have to expand your bubble a bit, not just listen to what you like, but to all the forms, and decide what you like. I think people who are innured in one style of music need to get out more.

With that in mind, I think people inured of one type of music are boring. Luckily most people like a diverse mix, well when they grow up, but you must weep for people who are stuck in that musical bubble, only liking a tiny proportion of all the art out there, because they miss so much, they are like people who claim all art is encompassed on TV, mushrooms.


With that in mind I could post a multitude of links but easy going, let's just post one and see where it leads you down that rabbit hole and then a couple more to see if you dug it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFSK0ogeg4

I bet you weren't expecting that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAtGOESO7W8

Or this.

Tears for Fears they had something to say, and that was a black Monday in your soul. Every body wants to rule the world I suppose, and it's a mad world, and sometimes you just want to shout, but heaven forbid anything will change. Sometimes you were lost a little head over heals, and then you took comfort in such a pale shelter, to hide your tears and fears. At least memories fade I suppose.

So Beatles at the end though, with the trumpet thing.

Speaking of The Beatles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrxZhWCAuQw

Take these broken wings and learn to fly, if only we all could.

Blaggard wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFSK0ogeg4

I bet you weren't expecting that.

I was in my early twenties when I discovered that the human voice was the most powerful and beautiful instrument of all. My friend Gladys got me a tape with The Messiah and some other stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pt2cAycx0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX93BytFfkk

Carmina came along by that time, too.

Blaggard wrote:I think if you really like music you have to expand your bubble a bit, not just listen to what you like, but to all the forms, and decide what you like. I think people who are innured in one style of music need to get out more.

With that in mind, I think people inured of one type of music are boring. Luckily most people like a diverse mix, well when they grow up, but you must weep for people who are stuck in that musical bubble, only liking a tiny proportion of all the art out there, because they miss so much, they are like people who claim all art is encompassed on TV, mushrooms.

I knew I was out of the bubble the day I actually started enjoying this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0AImOc4wpE

A funny thing happened shortly after I started listening to this. The US invasion came along and while General Noriega was hiding in the Vatican Embassy, the gringos set up a psychological operations (PSYOP) strategy to scare the shit out of the general. To my surprise, Tibetan Chants came out of the speakers!!!

Quite agree, no other instrument has the range.

I think I realised I was a bit odd musically when I listened to John Peel and liked it, and then became hooked on listening to his show in the dogs watch of the night. That man played so much weird shit, that I never really caught up. And I mean throat music from the Sudan, to stomach music from India, to chest tapping vocals from a small tribe in South America. Not that that was all he played but every show amongst the more westernised weirdness he'd chuck in something so weird you'd go what the hell was that. He was a fan of everything, and I mean everything, his music collection, mostly vinyl was so large it could of been turned into a library of world music. When he died they should of opened it up to the public stuck a record player and a CD player and whatever in there, and let them hear everything in the world ever made ever, form ZZ Top to AAAAAfricka Bambaaaata.

Weird is good folks.

Speaking of range, you can do more with the human voice with electronics than you can with musical instruments of the more engineered kind, you can synth range into an instrument but not like you can into a voice which means its range analogue as it is is almost infinite.

By way of demonstration, not sure if I posted this on this thread or another music thread, pretty sure it was on my post a cool video thread so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi0erY0WG6A


Also very weird, but very cool, rap but even in the rap, there's so much difference between an octave basically digital arrangement which has almost infinite combinations but only finite notes in the audible range, and the human voice.

The set mathematically of the voice is larger than the set of any instrument.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyGp98Xoq9g

I know it's not right but it is music, which are you son?

The late Antonio Molina at one of his finest moments singing copla flamenca.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU2-C2Kevas

It might be worthwhile explaining to non-Spanish speakers how the story of the song goes: Juan Simon is the only undertaker in town and when his daughter dies he's the one that has to dig the grave and bury her. When he comes back from the graveyard with tools on shoulder, people ask him where he comes from. The last line of the song, eloquently sung by Molina, says: "I'm an undertaker and I come from burying...my heart".

Excellent song and finely composed, I also appreciated the guitar music, what a virtuoso. Thanks for the translation too, my French is not too bad, but my Spanglish is awful. Bloody Romans what have they ever done for us?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjPGuRYiaRo

With that in mind you might, might not, each to their own like this. It blew me away.

I love the way they are tipping winks to each other, yeah you are just that good, I'd give my right an left arm to have that much talent. Wouldn't be able to play guitar, but hell... wow. I think what would really annoy anyone who was competent at guitar, is the fact, they never rehearsed, they never needed to, they got off a plane cold and did that. They just did it like that, they just could, that would kill me if I was even remotely good at guitar, that much talent is amazing. It's nice to see, but it's humbling, utter gifted virtuousos, doing it without a set up without ever meeting each other, and just that good.

At the end as well it's just toying isn't it, it's just amazing and they are all saying in the language of instrument, thank you for playing with me. People like that are not normal, that's incredible. if you listen to that and think they are just normal, you are missing something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=037uSAIahho

Shape of me corizone, sorry as I say my Spanglish is bad but the guy on the guitar who is that, man he's good?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuI61cTNbAk

HQ official version, but I think the one above is better. he recorded Ten Summoners/Sumner's Tales in a French Chateau in a few days with a few great artists, it is for me one of the most well composed albums I have heard, and as a metal head I think you can see that is very well intentioned.

Gordon Sumner you have to tip your hat to him. Well you don't have to but I think you should poetry and prose I think.

Shape Of My Heart
Artist

Composer

Written by Sting & Dominic Miller
Lyrics


Shape Of My Heart

He deals the cards as a meditation
And those he plays never suspect
He doesn't play for the money he wins
He don't play for respect

He deals the cards to find the answer
The sacred geometry of chance
The hidden law of a probable outcome
The numbers lead a dance

I know that the spades are the swords of a soldier
I know that the clubs are weapons of war
I know that diamonds mean money for this art
But that's not the shape of my heart

He may play the jack of diamonds
He may lay the queen of spades
He may conceal a king in his hand
While the memory of it fades

I know that the spades are the swords of a soldier
I know that the clubs are weapons of war
I know that diamonds mean money for this art
But that's not the shape of my heart

And if I told you that I loved you
You'd maybe think there's something wrong
I'm not a man of too many faces
The mask I wear is one

Well, those who speak know nothin'
And find out to their cost
Like those who curse their luck in too many places
And those who fear are lost

I know that the spades are the swords of a soldier
I know that the clubs are weapons of war
I know that diamonds mean money for this art
But that's not the shape of my heart
That's not the shape, the shape of my heart
That's not the shape, the shape of my heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV0rJ6rvWbw

Seven days is all she wrote, a kind of ultimatum note, the art and poetry is sublime for me, it might just be me though.

It's a big enough umbrella but it's always me that ends up getting wet, an acknowledgement to former albums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENX1Sf3fgQ

Sunday'd be too late.

Probably biased first album I ever bought myself was Ghost in the Machine.

Stand By Me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg7YoXiKn0

Anyone who can name the film get's a cookie. It's not Stand By Me btw, it might of been but it's not, think harder...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR0kc

If you know this film hell you win a box of cookies, but guess away.



Don't cheat as well, I have seen both films and I will know.

"For Democracy, any man would give his only begotten son."

S O S.