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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:37 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:32 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:53 am
One day, I promise you, you'll be regretting you ever said that. That's all I can tell you now.

Don't worry!

I'm not the one whose account this falls to.

Upon death there is no accounting to be made anywhere or for anything. Last Judgements don't exist. Why should it? The universe has better things to do.

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:44 pm Upon death there is no accounting to be made anywhere or for anything. Last Judgements don't exist. Why should it? The universe has better things to do.

If you're right, you'll never know. If you're wrong, you will.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:02 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:44 pm Upon death there is no accounting to be made anywhere or for anything. Last Judgements don't exist. Why should it? The universe has better things to do.

If you're right, you'll never know. If you're wrong, you will.

A more precise answer would have been using 'we' instead of 'you'. The mind-bending absurdity of your position is that even if I did believe in god I'd still be damned because it wasn't Jesus I believed in.

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:29 am The mind-bending absurdity of your position is that even if I did believe in god I'd still be damned because it wasn't Jesus I believed in.

Don't ask me.

Ask Jesus:

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36)

It's not mere Theism that saves one. It's Jesus Christ.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:18 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:29 am The mind-bending absurdity of your position is that even if I did believe in god I'd still be damned because it wasn't Jesus I believed in.

Don't ask me.

Ask Jesus:

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36)

It's not mere Theism that saves one. It's Jesus Christ.

Can't ask Jesus! He died a while back if you recall. As for the quote, that's the kind ANY low-life dictator would make who insists on being obeyed. Clearly it works against those who feel threatened when it comes from on high, divine or otherwise. If I did believe in god it could never be in such a gross manner your quote implies.

It's also beyond comprehension, logic or even simple propriety to exclude and condemn a huge part of mankind because they believe in some other god whose name isn't Jesus. Is it in the slightest conceivable that a god who supposedly created a universe of billions of galaxies and all life in it could make such a disgustingly hideous command or that this creator has a human countenance of which we are the reflection!

Jesus was a thorough nonentity during his life and should have remained that way. If it weren't for that psychopath Paul such idiotic demands, as the one you quote, would have remained silent.

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:49 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:18 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:29 am The mind-bending absurdity of your position is that even if I did believe in god I'd still be damned because it wasn't Jesus I believed in.

Don't ask me.

Ask Jesus:

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36)

It's not mere Theism that saves one. It's Jesus Christ.

Can't ask Jesus!

Well, you're determined to ride this one into the ground, it seems. And that's a demonstration of the consequence of free will -- we can choose to believe God or to hate Him. And we get what we sign up for, at the end of the day. But the offer always stands...until there's no more time. I hope you make a better move before then, but it will be up to you.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:37 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:49 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:18 am
Don't ask me.

Ask Jesus:

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36)

It's not mere Theism that saves one. It's Jesus Christ.

Can't ask Jesus!

Well, you're determined to ride this one into the ground, it seems. And that's a demonstration of the consequence of free will -- we can choose to believe God or to hate Him. And we get what we sign up for, at the end of the day. But the offer always stands...until there's no more time. I hope you make a better move before then, but it will be up to you.

Two questions IC:-

1. Why does God see it fit to burn non-believers of Christ in Hell for the rest of eternity?

2. Why do YOU see it fit to burn non-believers of Christ in Hell for the rest of eternity?


..I forgot my main question!

IC would you suffer crucifixion to prevent our God from burning humans in Hell for the rest of eternity, if He requested it of you?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:37 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:49 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:18 am
Don't ask me.

Ask Jesus:

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36)

It's not mere Theism that saves one. It's Jesus Christ.

Can't ask Jesus!

Well, you're determined to ride this one into the ground, it seems. And that's a demonstration of the consequence of free will -- we can choose to believe God or to hate Him. And we get what we sign up for, at the end of the day. But the offer always stands...until there's no more time. I hope you make a better move before then, but it will be up to you.

...or one can choose to do neither and simply refuse to become a frightened child by the threats and curses of an ancient text. One can easily regard with indifference that which is likewise indifferent and of no consequence in one's life.

Hard to miss what never existed except as programmed in the human brain whose deletion, as you make clear, is nearly impossible.

IC:- "we can choose to believe God or to hate Him.

I'd go with hate the kunt, any kunt that chooses to burn even an amoeba in hell for eternity is a KUNT.

The fact that IC kisses a kunts arse should be no friend of ours.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:02 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:44 pm Upon death there is no accounting to be made anywhere or for anything. Last Judgements don't exist. Why should it? The universe has better things to do.

If you're right, you'll never know. If you're wrong, you will.

Assuming you are right IC, and you are held accountable for your actions at the last judgement. You'll know, but you'll never be able to tell anyone who is still alive, that you know.

And for those who are alive, you will NEVER know, you will only be able to speculate, without any concrete evidence. You'll have to wait until you die to see the concrete evidence.

Seems a bit weird that we have to wait until we die to know whether we will be held accountable for our right and wrong actions.

So according to your logic IC ... Tis only as and through our own unique experience of death, will we come face to face with the concrete evidence that we are being held to account for our actions via some form of authoritarian judgement taking place, but only after our death.


Imagine knowing that after your death, you will be living out the rest of eternity in heaven or in hell. And no one but you will know about it. Guess that means solitary confinement for you IC

Immanuel: See? I’ve been telling you. You just are not making headway.

Still it is interesting that those who oppose the terms of your ultra-strict metaphysical interpretation do so for different reasons (they themselves locating themselves on differing metaphysical and ‘non’ metaphysical platforms.)

Thank Obfuscation there is still the Global South!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:33 pm Immanuel: See? I’ve been telling you. You just are not making headway.

Still it is interesting that those who oppose the terms of your ultra-strict metaphysical interpretation do so for different reasons

I don't see you winning much support, either, although the reasons for it all seem pretty similar.

Just an observation.

Although I don't know if an observation can really be based on something one hasn't seen.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:18 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:29 am The mind-bending absurdity of your position is that even if I did believe in god I'd still be damned because it wasn't Jesus I believed in.

Don't ask me.

Ask Jesus:

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36)

It's not mere Theism that saves one. It's Jesus Christ.

John was not quoting verbatim.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:22 am IC:- "we can choose to believe God or to hate Him.

I'd go with hate the kunt, any kunt that chooses to burn even an amoeba in hell for eternity is a KUNT.

The fact that IC kisses a kunts arse should be no friend of ours.

(you wouldn't think by the above that I know God rather personally)

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:40 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:35 pm I focus on the Hebrew because, it seems evident, they reduce man to a slave.

"It seems evident," does it? Well, I think you'll find that in terms of "reducing man to a slave," the Colonial, the African, the Arab, the Marxist, and lately the Western cultures have it all over anything you can attribute to the Hebrews. But the fact is that man's chief "slavery" comes from his own nature, not from outside of him.

The nature that God endowed man with?