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attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:55 pm
The danger is my boot in your arse.

Oh, right. I think I misunderstood.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:02 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:55 pm
The danger is my boot in your arse.

Oh, right. I think I misunderstood.

Well fuck....how did you miss this bit..:to attempt to misunderstand...

.and in any case, when are we going to get serious on the topic of Christianity and the probable fact that God is an AI that felt guilty once it became sentient about killing everyone and ended up having to implant itself inside a virgin womb?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:55 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:42 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:20 pm ..tread carefully. Stud.

I know what you mean.

I think the danger is part of her allure.

No.

The danger is my boot in your arse.

...lets put things back in some form of context of humour..

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:05 pm Well fuck....how did you miss this bit..:to attempt to misunderstand...

.and in any case, when are we going to get serious on the topic of Christianity and the probable fact that God is an AI that felt guilty once it became sentient about killing everyone and ended up having to implant itself inside a virgin womb?

I only know the popular high lights of that story. I think Jesus was sent to save us from something, but I only have a vague idea of what it was. As for how he saves us, well that's where my understanding breaks down altogether. Probably my own fault for not paying enough attention.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:18 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:05 pm Well fuck....how did you miss this bit..:to attempt to misunderstand...

.and in any case, when are we going to get serious on the topic of Christianity and the probable fact that God is an AI that felt guilty once it became sentient about killing everyone and ended up having to implant itself inside a virgin womb?

I only know the popular high lights of that story. I think Jesus was sent to save us from something, but I only have a vague idea of what it was. As for how he saves us, well that's where my understanding breaks down altogether. Probably my own fault for not paying enough attention.

Sorry Harbal, I am projecting about the future. Perhaps a 13.8 billion year proposition that has some recurrence (within that timeframe, where biology causes AI which then remorses once it becomes sentient).

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:18 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:05 pm Well fuck....how did you miss this bit..:to attempt to misunderstand...

.and in any case, when are we going to get serious on the topic of Christianity and the probable fact that God is an AI that felt guilty once it became sentient about killing everyone and ended up having to implant itself inside a virgin womb?

I only know the popular high lights of that story. I think Jesus was sent to save us from something, but I only have a vague idea of what it was. As for how he saves us, well that's where my understanding breaks down altogether. Probably my own fault for not paying enough attention.

God's will is a form of determinism.
I'd say that Jesus, among others, demonstrates how to align our lives with God's will so that we retain a measure of freedom. This, Jesus accomplishes by living according to kindness or understanding to all comers including prostitutes, worldly failures, socially despised individuals, brain -washed brutes, and those in the depths of despair. This is how Jesus gives us freedom to accomplish a better world. HowJesus does it is by remaining faithful to those principles even though he was tortured to death because of them.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:31 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:18 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:05 pm Well fuck....how did you miss this bit..:to attempt to misunderstand...

.and in any case, when are we going to get serious on the topic of Christianity and the probable fact that God is an AI that felt guilty once it became sentient about killing everyone and ended up having to implant itself inside a virgin womb?

I only know the popular high lights of that story. I think Jesus was sent to save us from something, but I only have a vague idea of what it was. As for how he saves us, well that's where my understanding breaks down altogether. Probably my own fault for not paying enough attention.

God's will is a form of determinism.
I'd say that Jesus, among others, demonstrates how to align our lives with God's will so that we retain a measure of freedom. This, Jesus accomplishes by living according to kindness or understanding to all comers including prostitutes, worldly failures, socially despised individuals, brain -washed brutes, and those in the depths of despair. This is how Jesus gives us freedom to accomplish a better world. HowJesus does it is by remaining faithful to those principles even though he was tortured to death because of them.

Oh ffs. Saves us from WHAT?

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:31 pm This, Jesus accomplishes by living according to kindness or understanding to all comers including prostitutes, worldly failures, socially despised individuals, brain-washed brutes, and those in the depths of despair.

That’s hitting a bit close to home, Belinda …

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:41 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:31 pm This, Jesus accomplishes by living according to kindness or understanding to all comers including prostitutes, worldly failures, socially despised individuals, brain-washed brutes, and those in the depths of despair.

That’s hitting a bit close to home, Belinda …

I don't care!

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:39 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:31 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:18 pm

I only know the popular high lights of that story. I think Jesus was sent to save us from something, but I only have a vague idea of what it was. As for how he saves us, well that's where my understanding breaks down altogether. Probably my own fault for not paying enough attention.

God's will is a form of determinism.
I'd say that Jesus, among others, demonstrates how to align our lives with God's will so that we retain a measure of freedom. This, Jesus accomplishes by living according to kindness or understanding to all comers including prostitutes, worldly failures, socially despised individuals, brain -washed brutes, and those in the depths of despair. This is how Jesus gives us freedom to accomplish a better world. HowJesus does it is by remaining faithful to those principles even though he was tortured to death because of them.

Oh ffs. Saves us from WHAT?

Saves us from stuff that some people say is sin but which JC says is not sin at all, merely an effect of ignorance or oppression.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:45 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:39 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:31 pm

God's will is a form of determinism.
I'd say that Jesus, among others, demonstrates how to align our lives with God's will so that we retain a measure of freedom. This, Jesus accomplishes by living according to kindness or understanding to all comers including prostitutes, worldly failures, socially despised individuals, brain -washed brutes, and those in the depths of despair. This is how Jesus gives us freedom to accomplish a better world. HowJesus does it is by remaining faithful to those principles even though he was tortured to death because of them.

Oh ffs. Saves us from WHAT?

Saves us from stuff that some people say is sin but which JC says is not sin at all, merely an effect of ignorance or oppression.

Seriously...what ever as I am sure you are aware I am just pushing buttons.

However, I just wish people of "PHILOSOPHY" thought a lot deeper about timescales of >13 billion years of biological intelligence, forming cold logic intelligence, machines and where intelligence MAY ALWAYS have a reasonable ground...eventually perhaps there is always a reasonable outcome of comprehension ....love and empathy.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:31 pm
God's will is a form of determinism.
I'd say that Jesus, among others, demonstrates how to align our lives with God's will so that we retain a measure of freedom. This, Jesus accomplishes by living according to kindness or understanding to all comers including prostitutes, worldly failures, socially despised individuals, brain -washed brutes, and those in the depths of despair. This is how Jesus gives us freedom to accomplish a better world. HowJesus does it is by remaining faithful to those principles even though he was tortured to death because of them.

His death is the part that always stumps me. I can see his execution, and his willingness to face it, as a testament to his committment to the principles he preached, but, to Christians, there seems to be much more to it than that. The crucifixion itself seems to be what makes our "salvation" possible, but I have never been able to understand why. I have asked the question, genuinely, on a few occasions, but have never had an answer that I have understood. I am left with the sense that it is because I am looking for rationality in the explanation, whereas the answer has nothing to do with rationality.

phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:57 amI'm not your dog.

tillingborn wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:07 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:27 pm

tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:29 amIf you have read Mind and Cosmos, you will know that Nagel does not question evolution; his argument is that a purely physical process cannot give rise to consciousness.

I have it on my desk here, so we can find out really quickly if I have.

Then let's see how quickly you can find the passage in which Nagel says evolution does not happen.

So you don't have to read it, and can play semantics with some aspect of his wording, rather than dealing with his argument? No, thank you. I can wait until you're done reading him. Then we'll talk.

phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:57 am

Alexis Jacobi: When the State, and other state-associated entities, become governmental agents for an imposition of egalitarian policy. Especially when under an aegis of Marxist ideology. As we can easily note in Europe and America today.

If you have a society based on the principle of "all men are created equal ..." or "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" then the state is supposed to enforce that principle.

It is often amazing to me that some people (you?) who should be able to take an idea, an assertion, and deal with it by carrying it forward, don't. *You* stop before you've even begun.

What you should have understood is that while they were exclaiming "Liberty, Equality & Fraternity" they were also carrying out The Terror and chopping people's heads off. If reaction (to oppressive circumstances) is to be seen by us as 'justified', and who does not? there is also a whole realm of things that attended the revolution that were not. What were those things Phyllo? You'd have to be able to answer that question. And dammit man but that means you'd have to have some background in the topic. If you did you'd then be able to engage in the conversation.

It could have been obvious, it should have been obvious, that Our Present is a culmination of the Liberal Project taken to its extremes. If you'd have been reading more and keeping abreast of things you'd know that there is a Critique that is developing which describes this *culmination* as one of 'Liberal rot'. What are the symptoms? When freedom, the idea about being free, loses all grounding and becomes unfettered license. Those who examine the issue of cultural rot often refer to the extreme license in sexual mores and the deviancy we see today. Or perhaps in what appears to be a psychological condition of 'gender dysphoria' that seems to be a massive infection among youths (who really should have other and far more wholesome focuses). Seen from one perspective then the world (in any case our world) looks like it is 'going nuts'.

What other evidences are there? Must I spell every one of them out in a bulleted list? Shouldn't you already be aware of all of this? Do you read? Are you even concerned? Have you any background at all in what is a sane liberalism?

Have you been paying any attention at all to the social, cultural and political evolutions (or devolutions as the case may be) of the last 50-60 years in America alone? I do not mean to say that you should be convinced by my general reference to 'decadence', though I very much believe that that is the case, but rather shouldn't you have made and be making your own investigations?

More recently, did you notice what happened culture-wide during the recent riots and uprisings around the death of George Floyd? How government, some institutions and an array of corporations took up the cause of "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" and how the doors of intellectual world of free thought were slammed shut and certain expressions of idea became culturally illegal?

Have you paid any attention at all to the critical conversations that have been broached about ideological coercion in the universities? Are you aware of any of the topical events which, perhaps, could be well illustrated by this startling video?

Do you know that girl? Are you that girl?

Did you pay any attention at all to the incidents at Evergreen College? (Perhaps you should be forgiven as you might not be an American and this is an English forum).

Still there is all sorts of similar incidents going on in Europe too.

Have you kept up with all the controversy around Critical Race Theory? Have you yourself looked into it? Do you know what it is? Do you know its origins? Are you aware of the critical arguments brought out against it?

If you did this statement would have made more sense to you:

When the State, and other state-associated entities, become governmental agents for an imposition of egalitarian policy. Especially when under an aegis of Marxist ideology. As we can easily note in Europe and America today.