Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:35 amthe entire medical profession on all continents...committed to shutting down the world
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:00 pmThat didn't happen. There was and is no monolithic medical position on beer virus or beer virus mitigation anymore than there's 98% of climate scientists agreeing man is causing climate change.
You wrote:
empowered parasites in office to attempt to shut down the world.
Sounds monolithic to me requiring the collusion of the medical profession to accomplish by pretending it to be lethal when according to you and IC it's nothing more than a severe version of a head cold.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:00 pmAnd I'm still waiting for an example of when your life is not your own, of when it belongs to someone else, of when another person rightfully can treat you as they choose,
I can give you examples of when you can, thru your choices, forfeit your life, but that's not the same as saying your life is yours except for when X.
I have a quirk of my own often waiting for three knocks before opening the door. Third knock accepted:
It's yours for as long it doesn't belong to someone else, as has been the case for many millions throughout history in which ownership of another human to whatever degree was considered neither immoral nor illegal. One way or another, humans have always treated each other as commodities according to status and regardless of age. It could manifest in myriad ways from absolute in which one's existence was itself a prerogative of the owner, to being indentured for whatever period of time with almost no recourse to protest any of the conditions subjected to. Though serfs too were not overtly slaves, they may as well have been by the conditions accorded to their status.
As mentioned, there are many ways in which your life is no-longer your own which subsisted throughout history, its morality and legality hardly ever in question from the most ancient times onward. It would take a huge volume just to define the most egregious types.
One kind I personally find most depressing happened not very long ago during the Industrial Revolution when children were forced into factories often working 16 hours a day. I read of one case in England where a child less than 10 years old fell asleep standing up, beaten back into awareness by a factory supervisor. At the end of his 16-hour day he was so exhausted his father had to carry him home. He fell asleep immediately but never woke up to return to life and what he considered to be his duty, which he took rather seriously to support the family.
In almost none of these instances did anyone forfeit their life by choice.
So my question to you - beyond merely stating it as if it were some objective religious or philosophical truth instead of the existential quandary it really is - when did any such
absolute moral claim ever exist, when in practice both morality and legality colluded to endorse the ownership of another to whatever degree considered legal throughout history in almost every country?
In the light of all that reality, the real story denounces all your
absolute moral claim propositions as nothing more than philosophic chimera...a kind of idealism to be discussed and only that.
To repeat: there is no absolute moral claim to anything regarding human behavior. All that's required for something to be acknowledged as resolutely moral is to have it endorsed both by authority and consensus, which, as it turns out, are often the seedbeds for every kind of subsequent deprivation and immorality.
Well, it's funny how your attention span "runs out" at exactly the moment your grounds for protest do. 
The evidence is on hand. The willingness to engage it, you'd have to manufacture for yourself.
Well, too much for somebody, anyway.