Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:33 am
Spirituality permeates all. The separations you make are delusional.
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Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:33 am
No, I'm sure that's true. But it doesn't mean that other cultures and religions take the same view of rationality. In fact, there's a wide variety of stances on the role of reason in the ideological equation. Mystical and experiential traditions tend to have a lower value on reason. But some others approach faith more cerebrally than viscerally. One has to look at the particular ideology, on a case-by-case basis. It's certainly not true that they're all ultimately the same in their view of cognition, or reason and logic, or truth, or reality, or science, or morality, or divinity, for that matter.Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:13 amThe fact that Christianity has spread worldwide is probably not based on irrationality.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2026 2:33 pmThey are. But it's also true that the irrational are found in all cultures. So it doesn't suggest that all cultures are rational, far less that all the members in a given culture are.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:37 am
Spirituality permeates all. The separations you make are delusional.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:22 amI'm not agnostic about everything. I'm agnostic about matters having to do with spirituality.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:38 am
Qualifiers almost outnumber the words of that bold statement.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:23 amIf God exists, then Christianity may or may not be an accurate interpretation of the divine.
Agnosticism permeates more than you know, apparently.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:38 am
So if "spirituality permeates all" does that mean Christianity is the correct interpretation of the divine?Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:37 amSpirituality permeates all. The separations you make are delusional.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:22 amI'm not agnostic about everything. I'm agnostic about matters having to do with spirituality.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:43 am
You pick may, or you pick may not.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:30 amDo you think it is incorrect that if there is a God, then Christianity may or may not be an accurate interpretation of the divine? You can always disagree with me. I would like to hear what is wrong with my statement above if you disagree. It's basically If G, then C or not the case C.
https://chatgpt.com/share/6a349b90-b31c ... e277ebbfd9
Then, you write what you think about that, to share.
If someone wants to agree, they can.
If someone wants to disagree, they can.
Okay?
Don't ask me to write an essay on the topic of your interest, for you.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:45 am
Then don't.Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:43 amYou pick may, or you pick may not.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:30 amDo you think it is incorrect that if there is a God, then Christianity may or may not be an accurate interpretation of the divine? You can always disagree with me. I would like to hear what is wrong with my statement above if you disagree. It's basically If G, then C or not the case C.
https://chatgpt.com/share/6a349b90-b31c ... e277ebbfd9
Then, you write what you think about that, to share.
If someone wants to agree, they can.
If someone wants to disagree, they can.
Okay?
Don't ask me to write an essay on the topic of your interest, for you.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:48 am
Then we can say that Christianity has spread because it appeals to the rational within a culture, and where it has spread to, the rational outnumber the irrational of the culture in influence if not number, or else Christianity would not have spread there.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:33 amNo, I'm sure that's true. But it doesn't mean that other cultures and religions take the same view of rationality. In fact, there's a wide variety of stances on the role of reason in the ideological equation. Mystical and experiential traditions tend to have a lower value on reason. But some others approach faith more cerebrally than viscerally. One has to look at the particular ideology, on a case-by-case basis. It's certainly not true that they're all ultimately the same in their view of cognition, or reason and logic, or truth, or reality, or science, or morality, or divinity, for that matter.Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:13 amThe fact that Christianity has spread worldwide is probably not based on irrationality.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2026 2:33 pm
They are. But it's also true that the irrational are found in all cultures. So it doesn't suggest that all cultures are rational, far less that all the members in a given culture are.
Or, we can say that Christianity has spread because it is irrational to a culture.
If so, examine the cultures where Christianity has not spread.
Then, we can examine where it spread to and was crushed by government because ... Christianity is irrational?
Naw. It's so rational it can't be tolerated by Commies.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:53 am
Don't be afraid, Gary.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:45 amThen don't.Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:43 amYou pick may, or you pick may not.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:30 am
Do you think it is incorrect that if there is a God, then Christianity may or may not be an accurate interpretation of the divine? You can always disagree with me. I would like to hear what is wrong with my statement above if you disagree. It's basically If G, then C or not the case C.
https://chatgpt.com/share/6a349b90-b31c ... e277ebbfd9
Then, you write what you think about that, to share.
If someone wants to agree, they can.
If someone wants to disagree, they can.
Okay?
Don't ask me to write an essay on the topic of your interest, for you.
Put your thoughts out there.
May, or may not?
Which is it?
Take a stand. Get off the fence. Write the essay.
You can do it.
You will learn from the critiques of others.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:59 am
It means that you tried to separate spirituality from the rest of life.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:38 amSo if "spirituality permeates all" does that mean Christianity is the correct interpretation of the divine?Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:37 amSpirituality permeates all. The separations you make are delusional.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:22 am
I'm not agnostic about everything. I'm agnostic about matters having to do with spirituality.
You should dwell on that, and find your spirituality in some of the places where you assumed it didn't exist.
That's the point of what I wrote.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 3:15 am
Who are you and what did you do with Walker? This would be the smartest thing ever posted under his name.Walker to Gary wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:37 am Spirituality permeates all. The separations you make are delusional.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 7:18 am
What exactly is "spirituality"? Is it the belief in "spirits" and the "supernatural"? If so, then those are things that science cannot study. If anything can be known about such things, then it's not known through the means of the natural sciences.Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:59 amIt means that you tried to separate spirituality from the rest of life.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:38 amSo if "spirituality permeates all" does that mean Christianity is the correct interpretation of the divine?
You should dwell on that, and find your spirituality in some of the places where you assumed it didn't exist.
That's the point of what I wrote.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 12:42 pm
Are you trying to say that scientists cannot believe in God?
Yes or no?
If you simply answer yes or no, to that simple question, you may attract interest.
That may clarify for yourself how you manage to separate spirituality from the rest of life.
Yes or no?
If you simply answer yes or no, to that simple question, you may attract interest.
That may clarify for yourself how you manage to separate spirituality from the rest of life.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 2:01 pm
Well, how is evolution "known," Gary? (Serious question: I'm not trying to reverse it on you. I'm asking you to think about the method by which you have come to believe in something you believe in.) For you will find it is exactly the same method by which the natural sciences also relate to the question of the existence of God.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 7:18 am What exactly is "spirituality"? Is it the belief in "spirits" and the "supernatural"? If so, then those are things that science cannot study. If anything can be known about such things, then it's not known through the means of the natural sciences.
Re: IC please clarify for us
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2026 4:59 pm
No. I am not saying scientists cannot believe in God.