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phyllo wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:30 am Biden should have recognized his limitations and not run for a second term. Too much ego.
True. He should have known ahead that he wasn't fit for office. But with Biden, as with most Presidents, most of the decision-making was handled by his advisors. So if he surrounded himself with decent people, he could still be a figurehead. Trump, OTOH, doesn't seem to listen to anyone. And as he himself said in a statement given to the press, "smart people" hate him. So he probably couldn't find too many advisors qualified to run a country. Heck, his picks for people to fill the offices he's responsible for filling as President were mostly know-nothing amateurs like Kennedy. It's got to be the Stupidest administration in history. He's no genius, let alone an "evil" one, but stupidity is dangerous in and of itself.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:40 am
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:25 am There was no way to know ahead of time that Harris wouldn't win.
Well, it was pretty obvious to the impartial observer.

In any case, if Trump got in, the Dems have themselves to blame for at least a great part of it. They could have put up somebody much smoother, more informed, less annoying, more skilled in debate and interviews, somebody who knew what policy was, with a better record...and smarter...way smarter.

But some unbelievable arrogance must have informed that decision. That it was bound to be a disaster was right before their eyes.
And the Republicans could have at least some standards instead of practically none, and Trump wouldn't be in office at all. The Republicans are as worthless as the democrats, but unlike the Democrats, they don't seem to care or even try to be anything else.
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:45 am And the Republicans could have at least some standards instead of practically none, and Trump wouldn't be in office at all.
Maybe so. But when there's no alternative, people have to vote for what's left over...whatever it is. Or not vote.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:02 am
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:45 am And the Republicans could have at least some standards instead of practically none, and Trump wouldn't be in office at all.
Maybe so. But when there's no alternative, people have to vote for what's left over...whatever it is. Or not vote.
So both parties gave us no one worth voting for, except the Republicans have clearly given us a lunatic. Harris probably would have gotten better people to fill her advisory positions. At least "smart people" seem to like her a little bit, unlike Trump, who actively chases intelligent people away with his bull-headed stupidity.
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:08 am Harris probably would have gotten better people to fill her advisory positions. At least "smart people" seem to like her a little bit,
Nobody likes her. Nobody. Not other Dems, not her own staff...not swing voters. But for some reason, they chose her anyway.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:39 am
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:08 am Harris probably would have gotten better people to fill her advisory positions. At least "smart people" seem to like her a little bit,
Nobody likes her. Nobody. Not other Dems, not her own staff...not swing voters. But for some reason, they chose her anyway.
Most people don't despise her as they do Trump. Trump has earned all the spite he's gotten. He deserves it. Harris was a zero, but she wouldn't actively chase off or dismiss people who knew what they were doing. Trump is an ass. He's the very last person who should be in a political office. He's made a complete mess so far. Harris would have come and gone, and nothing would have changed. Instead, we've gotten political thuggery, war, broken promises, and broken alliances. We'll be lucky if we don't end up with even worse. If a President doesn't know what they're doing, then they should at least surround themselves with some competent advisors.
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Confirmation bias. Every perception, no matter what, confirms the bias.
It's another way of living in a fantasy.
Demonstrably stoopid.

Just throw out some nonsense and expect a discussion?
The false assertions fly too thick and fast to clean up.
It like an intellectual wallow.

The thread title is correct for about half the country.

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phyllo wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:30 am Biden should have recognized his limitations and not run for a second term. Too much ego.
Dr. Jill gave him a clean bill of health.
Of course, she probably did that because he ate all his applesauce.
So did the media praise his capacity.
So did the The Party.

He was alert as ever, or sharper than he had ever been, and a high energy president.

They paid for their lies.
The people spoke, for a short time.
They said hey, you Democrats are gaslighters.
Someone pardoned a lot of criminals under cover of presidential authority.
What else did they do, and for how long?

Now the undermining of Trump, the executive branch of the federal govt., from those who lied about Biden, is a roar.
Midterms are coming up.

Power at any cost justifies all the lies ... and Americans who support that indeed are stupid.
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Will Bouwman wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2026 10:30 am A much more nuanced and informative video than the title suggests. A pity, since it is bound to alienate precisely the people who most need to watch. But then, as the video explains, through no fault of their own, they are unlikely to listen anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9MubNsh3rs
Walker wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2026 9:47 am When focusing on methods of teaching ...

The zeitgeist view of British Education
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs35t2x ... rt_radio=1

An alternative to the zeitgeist
https://brockwood.org.uk/
Jiddu Krishnamurti founded the alternative.
His alternative, is an alternative to the British Brick-In-The-Wall Philosophy of education.

JK was recently quoted on this very website.

If there's room in any full cups, alternatives to Stupid are worthwhile.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2026 10:41 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2026 9:24 pm The sad thing is a LOT of very well-informed people knew Trump was not a good choice.
But what did the Dems put up against him? Nothing but a woman who got zero votes in the one Democratic primary in which she competed, and who they then installed by fiat, and who had the IQ of a handful of Kleenex and the personality of a buzz saw.

Any idea why they chose so badly?
It's almost as if Americans are ill equipped to make electoral decisions based on policy. Maybe the cost to most Americans of the one big, beautiful bill and the insane attack on Iran will focus them in November.
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Will Bouwman wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 9:53 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2026 10:41 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2026 9:24 pm The sad thing is a LOT of very well-informed people knew Trump was not a good choice.
But what did the Dems put up against him? Nothing but a woman who got zero votes in the one Democratic primary in which she competed, and who they then installed by fiat, and who had the IQ of a handful of Kleenex and the personality of a buzz saw.

Any idea why they chose so badly?
It's almost as if Americans are ill equipped to make electoral decisions based on policy.
I don't think that's generally true at all. It's the party, not the voters. Voters can only vote for the two candidates that have been put forward...and if one is not a credible alternative, that leaves only one.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 1:01 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 9:53 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2026 10:41 pmBut what did the Dems put up against him? Nothing but a woman who got zero votes in the one Democratic primary in which she competed, and who they then installed by fiat, and who had the IQ of a handful of Kleenex and the personality of a buzz saw.

Any idea why they chose so badly?
It's almost as if Americans are ill equipped to make electoral decisions based on policy.
I don't think that's generally true at all. It's the party, not the voters. Voters can only vote for the two candidates that have been put forward...and if one is not a credible alternative, that leaves only one.
As I said then, it is your opinion that American voters choose their candidate according to their personal view about the IQ and personality of the two options and not, which would demand a bit of critical thinking, the policies offered. Do you think Harris Derangement Syndrome is any less virulent than TDS?
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Will Bouwman wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 2:28 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 1:01 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 9:53 am
It's almost as if Americans are ill equipped to make electoral decisions based on policy.
I don't think that's generally true at all. It's the party, not the voters. Voters can only vote for the two candidates that have been put forward...and if one is not a credible alternative, that leaves only one.
As I said then, it is your opinion that American voters choose their candidate according to their personal view about the IQ and personality of the two options and not, which would demand a bit of critical thinking, the policies offered. Do you think Harris Derangement Syndrome is any less virulent than TDS?
I think the level of politician the US is producing is not high. But exactly the same is true in many other Western countries, right now. In fact, it's shamefully low, and we're seeing the results in the UK, in Australia, in Canada, and in many parts of Europe. It's only noticed more in the US because the US is a more significant place, with more at stake. After all, America is the last remaining superpower.

If putting lame politicians in office is proof of "bloody stupidity," or anything like it, the the whole West has become "bloody stupid."
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The quality of politicians is up to educational standards.

The effects of education in America.

Most Under-40 Voters Favor Socialism
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Walker wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 2:39 pm The quality of politicians is up to educational standards.

The effects of education in America.

Most Under-40 Voters Favor Socialism
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... _socialism
They don't know what it is. And they don't know what it does. And they don't know what it's done. They don't teach that in America. The Wokies in education don't believe in teaching history, because it's so unfavourable to Socialism. They also teach that factual knowledge, and logic, and reasoning is all "white" and "oppressive," just like "standards" and "merit" are supposed to be.

So they don't teach kids to think. They just believe in inculcating the ideology, without announcing they're doing it. They call it "praxis," or "doing the work" of Critical Theory, rather than teaching the theory itself. That's why nobody realizes they're doing it at all. They're not admitting it, they're just doing it.

And they've been largely successful at that. Real education is continually declining, and "social and emotional learning," (or "SEL," i.e. Socialist indoctrination) are replacing real education. But it's happening everywhere now, not just in America.
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