UK to lower voting age to 16

[Immanuel Can]

Site named at the bottom.

You're too challenged to paste a link?

Okay, then.

How lazy are you?

I guess you don't want to really know.

[phyllo]

How lazy are you?

How lazy are you not to even cut and paste a link, granpa?

[Immanuel Can]

How lazy are you?

How lazy are you not to even cut and paste a link, granpa?

"Grandpa," to you, grandkid.

In any case, the important point is that the SAVE act hurts nobody you can name.

So, with regard to the OP, it's not any sort of an indicator of a slippery slope.

Which was a fallacious argument anyway.

So there's no reason why we should enfranchise children.

And that's where we began.

[phyllo]

In any case, the important point is that the SAVE act hurts nobody you can name.

Given what you have written, you don't know anything about the SAVE act. Or you pretend not to know.

[Immanuel Can]

In any case, the important point is that the SAVE act hurts nobody you can name.

Given what you have written, you don't know anything about the SAVE act. Or you pretend not to know.

I know you can't name anybody who should vote who it cuts out. So you were just gassin'.

But it's not material. It doesn't prove we should lower the voting age to 16.

[Iwannaplato]

In any case, the important point is that the SAVE act hurts nobody you can name.

Given what you have written, you don't know anything about the SAVE act. Or you pretend not to know.

People it will affect and reduce the numbers of as voters:
Married Women and People with Name Changes: About 69 million women have birth certificates that don't match the name on their current ID — totally normal after marriage or divorce, but under this act, that mismatch could get them turned away at registration unless they jump through extra hoops or dig up a passport. Rural Voters: Around 60 million Americans live out in rural areas, often a serious drive from the nearest election office. If you have to show up in person with documents just to register, that's potentially hours behind the wheel for something that used to take five minutes online. Low-Income and Working-Class Citizens: A passport runs over $130 — and roughly 4 out of 5 Americans earning under $50k don't have one. Essentially, this requirement puts a price tag on voting registration for a big chunk of the country. Young Voters and Students: A lot of 18–24 year-olds don't have their birth certificate handy — it's probably sitting in a box at their parents' house in another state. On top of that, the bill explicitly says student IDs don't count, which shuts out a huge portion of first-time voters right from the start. Native American and Tribal Communities: Many tribal IDs don't list a place of birth, which this act requires as proof of citizenship. That means tribal members could be looking at a 100-mile-plus trip — or even a flight — just to hand over extra paperwork. Natural Disaster Survivors: If a hurricane, flood, or wildfire took your documents with it, this law gives you no slack. You'd have to track down replacement paperwork before you could even think about registering to vote.

[Immanuel Can]

In any case, the important point is that the SAVE act hurts nobody you can name.

Given what you have written, you don't know anything about the SAVE act. Or you pretend not to know.

People it will affect and reduce the numbers of as voters:
Married Women and People with Name Changes: About 69 million women have birth certificates that don't match the name on their current ID

100% their own fault. When you get married, you're supposed to fix the name on your documents or keep your old name. If you don't, you're not being responsible.

Rural Voters: Around 60 million Americans live out in rural areas, often a serious drive from the nearest election office.

Boo hoo. Rural people are notoriously dedicated and hard-working, and don't mind putting in hard work for something worthwhile. Go to your local election office and vote.

Low-Income and Working-Class Citizens: A passport runs over $130 — and roughly 4 out of 5 Americans earning under $50k don't have one.

Stupid claim: you don't need a passport. Use one of the other IDs.

Young Voters and Students: A lot of 18–24 year-olds don't have their birth certificate handy

Time to grow up, kiddies.

Native American and Tribal Communities: Many tribal IDs don't list a place of birth, which this act requires as proof of citizenship.

Well, if you're a citizen, you have it. If you refuse to be a citizen, you don't vote. Simple.

Natural Disaster Survivors: If a hurricane, flood, or wildfire took your documents with it,

You're going to have to replace your documents somehow, or else you won't have a driver's license, or mortage papers, or anything else that's an essential document. So you may as well do it early, or the government can extend you special circumstances.

This is cotton fluff and nothing. These are not serious objections. They're ginned up whines.

[Immanuel Can]

Now let's talk truth. We all know that the real voting groups that the opponents of ID are aiming at:

1. Illegal Aliens -- the largest potential voting block "invited" into the US to tip the elections. Being non-citizens, they'd be out.

2. The Dead -- with ID, votes are tracked to living people. No more raiding the graveyards and obits for names of the deceased.

3. Ballot Stuffers -- with ID, each ballot is tied to a body. So you can't make some ballots just disappear, and others be duplicated or forged.

4. Mail-in Fraudsters -- those silly geese who forgot that they own cell phones, and cruised around stuffing ballots into post boxes would not be able to do that, either.

What a shame! America would have secure elections, in which one vote would go to one citizen.

To this, we might add:

5. Children -- because children are not wise, and often do things rashly. They're easier to convince to vote for Progressivist causes than are people with fully-formed brains.

[phyllo]

6. Animals - Cats are left wing terrorists. Dogs can be convinced to vote for anything.

Vigilance. Vigilance!

[MikeNovack]

Now let's talk truth. We all know that the real voting groups that the opponents of ID are aiming at:

1. Illegal Aliens -- the largest potential voting block "invited" into the US to tip the elections. Being non-citizens, they'd be out.
2. The Dead -- with ID, votes are tracked to living people. No more raiding the graveyards and obits for names of the deceased.
3. Ballot Stuffers -- with ID, each ballot is tied to a body. So you can't make some ballots just disappear, and others be duplicated or forged.
4. Mail-in Fraudsters -- those silly geese who forgot that they own cell phones, and cruised around stuffing ballots into post boxes would not be able to do that, either.

What a shame! America would have secure elections, in which one vote would go to one citizen.

Since you are NOT one of us, you might think first about why you think you should have a say.

a) It is NOT a Federal government issue who gets to vote. It is a STATE issue. Look at the 10th Amendment and how the 17th is worded (with respect to voter qualification). The so called "Save Act" is a push not for this to be passed by the Federal government but by each state.

b) The dead ---- actuarial realty, if voting early and/or mail in ballots are allowed than there will be "dead people voting" (votes cast by people not alive on election day). Life insurance was my line of country, but since you won't believe me, you'll have to calculate yourself. For example, out of a million ballots cast two weeks before the election, on election day, how many votes from dead people should be expected? In any case, this is not an ID issue.

c) Why should you (or people in other states) have a say in who is judged qualified to vote in LOCAL elections. It is not s crazy notion that cities and towns (towns) to think residence in the city or town should be the criteria. LEGALLY it is the states that get to decide.

d) so called "ballot harvesting" -- you mean if I am lying in a hospital bed, unable to get up and personally drop my ballot into the mail and/or early ballot box, I should lose my right to vote?

This political fight is NOT about preventing voter fraud.

[MikeNovack]

Clarification on the previous post.

On March 28th, there will be the 3rd national level "No Kings" protests. Please be advised that close to nobody (*) means that as opposition to kings in general. If some of you are in countries which have kings, favor keeping your monarchies, well that's up to you decide. Far be it for me to say you shouldn't have a king.

You also should not take the name "no kings" literally. If you look at the text of the Declaration of Independence, you will find therein a list of grievances, some of which appear to be directly related to the current political divide here.

(*) I say close to, because with millions taking part, probably at least a few who think nobody anywhere should submit to an earthy king.

[phyllo]

Illegal aliens don't vote. It's a completely fabricated problem.

[Immanuel Can]

Illegal aliens don't vote. It's a completely fabricated problem.

Surprising.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2026/03/09/ice ... tions-2008
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ednc/pr/al ... gally-vote
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-fo ... -elections
https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-rel ... d-lying-on
https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/ho ... -SD020.pdf

But, of course, the real issue is not who may be voting in past elections, but rather the millions of non-eligible whom a party could incorporate into the vote in future elections, simply by, say, "naturalizing" masses of them by fiat, or by unilaterally lowering the bar for eligibility for citizenship, or even by something as easy as not requiring voter ID.

Hmmm...sounds pretty much like what they're aiming to do.

[Immanuel Can]

Now let's talk truth. We all know that the real voting groups that the opponents of ID are aiming at:

1. Illegal Aliens -- the largest potential voting block "invited" into the US to tip the elections. Being non-citizens, they'd be out.
2. The Dead -- with ID, votes are tracked to living people. No more raiding the graveyards and obits for names of the deceased.
3. Ballot Stuffers -- with ID, each ballot is tied to a body. So you can't make some ballots just disappear, and others be duplicated or forged.
4. Mail-in Fraudsters -- those silly geese who forgot that they own cell phones, and cruised around stuffing ballots into post boxes would not be able to do that, either.

What a shame! America would have secure elections, in which one vote would go to one citizen.

Since you are NOT one of us, you might think first about why you think you should have a say.

Oh, that's easy. Because everybody has a stake in not seeing the democratic process corrupted in the world's leading democratic country.

I'm not American. But I do favour the survival of democracy.

Which political ideology are you campaigning for?

[phyllo]

Surprising.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2026/03/09/ice ... tions-2008
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ednc/pr/al ... gally-vote
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-fo ... -elections
https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-rel ... d-lying-on
https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/ho ... -SD020.pdf

Yeah, I was betting that you would latch on a few cases of non-citizens voting.

There have been studies on this which found a few dozen frauds like that, compared to hundred of thousand or millions of legitimate voters.
IOW, the fraud is insignificant and does not affect the results of the elections.

But, of course, the real issue is not who may be voting in past elections, but rather the millions of non-eligible whom a party could incorporate into the vote in future elections, simply by, say, "naturalizing" masses of them by fiat, or by unilaterally lowering the bar for eligibility for citizenship, or even by something as easy as not requiring voter ID.

Sounds like it would get a lot of resistance in congress, the courts and the states. Probably a non-starter.

And certainly nothing that would be prevented by the SAVE act requirements for voter ID. If they are naturalized "by fiat" or by lower eligibility requirements, then they are citizens and can vote. Or if voter ID is not required then a law has been passed that repeals the SAVE act and all other acts which require ID.