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Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 3:22 am
by accelafine
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 3:20 am
accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:36 am
Why would you call it a 'god' and how are you defining 'god'? Why would a fundamental consciousness need to be supernatural? It doesn't even make sense. Oh never mind. There's no point in trying to reason with the insane
I'm certain my reasoning skills far surpass yours. Personally I don't like the term 'supernatural' and nor did I state that.
I'll define God as an intelligence (not necessarily sentient) that permeates ALL matter and constructs our perceivable reality in realtime, operating below the scale we can ever detect - the Planck scale.
Then don't call it a 'god' if you don't mean it, dips#*t.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 3:36 am
by attofishpi
accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 3:22 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 3:20 am
accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:36 am
Why would you call it a 'god' and how are you defining 'god'? Why would a fundamental consciousness need to be supernatural? It doesn't even make sense. Oh never mind. There's no point in trying to reason with the insane
I'm certain my reasoning skills far surpass yours. Personally I don't like the term 'supernatural' and nor did I state that.
I'll define God as an intelligence (not necessarily sentient) that permeates ALL matter and constructs our perceivable reality in realtime, operating below the scale we can ever detect - the Planck scale.
Then don't call it a 'god' if you don't mean it, dips#*t.
What part of what I stated is not God (ffs)
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 3:45 am
by accelafine
I do realise that religious nuts find it impossible to let go of the word 'god'.
A 'god' has a specific meaning. If you mean nature then say nature you annoying twat. If nature is a disembodied voice that talks to you and plays cute little tricks on you (and the fact that you were on hallucinogens at the time is entirely coincidental) then it's still nature. Stop referring to it as 'god'. It's pathetic.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:46 am
by attofishpi
You are clueless, as most atheists are.
I have never experienced God while partaking in 'halucinogens'. Fact is since knowing God exists, it's clear that I have a far better understanding of the true nature of reality than (probably) anyone on this forum.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:07 am
by accelafine
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:46 am
You are clueless, as most atheists are.
I have never experienced God while partaking in 'halucinogens'. Fact is since knowing God exists, it's clear that I have a far better understanding of the true nature of reality than (probably) anyone on this forum.
You and every other delusional freak out there.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:21 am
by attofishpi
Aaaw, you're such a lovely lass.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:53 am
by accelafine
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:21 am
Aaaw, you're such a lovely lass.
Thanks!
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:06 am
by Flannel Jesus
accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:53 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:21 am
Aaaw, you're such a lovely lass.
Thanks!
If you're ready to talk to someone who is interested in taking you seriously, I'm still curious about what I asked before.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 9:58 am
by Age
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:46 am
You are clueless, as most atheists are.
I have never experienced God while partaking in 'halucinogens'.
Why not?
If God is within every thing, as you say and claim It is, then why do you only experience God at 'some time' and not at 'all times'?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:46 am
Fact is since knowing God exists, it's clear that I have a far better understanding of the true nature of reality than (probably) anyone on this forum.
As can be seen here the 'dunning-kruger effect' can affect, more so, those who are less aware.
Now, why does just 'knowing' some thing, like, 'God exists', for example, then supposedly means that you have a 'far better understanding of the true nature of reality', than, probably, anyone on this forum?
How are the two linked together, and logically so, exactly?
Also, if you do have a so-called 'far better understanding of not just 'reality', itself, but the 'true nature of reality', itself, then what is the 'true nature of reality', itself, exactly?
And, if you only have a probable chance of having a 'better understanding of the true nature of reality' than anyone on this forum, then who on this forum might have a 'better understanding of the true nature of reality', itself?
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:22 pm
by attofishpi
Age, I've looked everywhere for my dice and can't find it. For the past 2 years I have used it to roll three times, if 6 comes up on every roll then I bother to address your posts.
Even if I find it, I don't like your chances.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:27 pm
by attofishpi
OK atheists - perhaps attempt to consider NO God - just that we are in a simulation with an advanced A.I. providing our perceivable REAL_IT_Y 
..heck, forget the simulation, perhaps the universe has some natural efficiency built in for conscious observers.
Is what I am stating reasonable?
I'm afraid I'm going to have to bring the intelligence that operates throughout ALL matter into the 'equation'..aka God.
If it wasn't for some certain things I've learned about this entity, I'd be of the opinion that we are indeed within a simulation - and everything we perceive is at the ultimate behest of some super advanced A.I. (rather than a Divine being - using something akin to...a super advance A.I.)
The reason I feel this needs to be considered is that it appears everything is 'done' to maintain maximum efficiency. Take a computer game that simulates reality for example. The processor(s) isn't overly concerned with things that arn't being viewed by the observer. So as the view within your monitor or VR headset swings around, all the massive amounts of data pertaining to what will eventually be rendered as pixel hue\colour\position is only 'bothered' with when required to be projected for the human to observe it. Of course, the environmental area data is loaded into GPU memory for quick access for processing, but this isn't the key point I am attempting to make.
So my theory is that this God (or simulation if you still want to be atheist) appears to insist our reality per human perception is also of extreme efficiency. It makes sense that this would be the case, who wants entropy to increase at a greater rate if that can be avoided.
Thus, the wave-function collapse is akin to the processor (God) providing the observer with the observation required - where all around the information is in a wave fuzzy wuzzy form.
Just thought I'd bounce that around in your craniums for thought..
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:49 pm
by attofishpi
accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:33 pm
Is there a conflict there? If all of our decisions are 'pre-determined' and there is no 'free will' then how can there ever be a point at which any decision is ever 'all decisions at once', with every possible decision 'branching off' to create an alternate 'world'?
The MWI bollocks provides no avenue to support "free will", in fact to the contrary. Decisions remain deterministic and every avenue of any decision leads down another path of a deterministic universe.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:43 pm
by accelafine
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:27 pm
OK atheists - perhaps attempt to consider NO God - just that we are in a simulation with an advanced A.I. providing our perceivable REAL_IT_Y
..heck, forget the simulation, perhaps the universe has some natural efficiency built in for conscious observers.
Is what I am stating reasonable?
I'm afraid I'm going to have to bring the intelligence that operates throughout ALL matter into the 'equation'..aka God.
If it wasn't for some certain things I've learned about this entity, I'd be of the opinion that we are indeed within a simulation - and everything we perceive is at the ultimate behest of some super advanced A.I. (rather than a Divine being - using something akin to...a super advance A.I.)
The reason I feel this needs to be considered is that it appears everything is 'done' to maintain maximum efficiency. Take a computer game that simulates reality for example. The processor(s) isn't overly concerned with things that arn't being viewed by the observer. So as the view within your monitor or VR headset swings around, all the massive amounts of data pertaining to what will eventually be rendered as pixel hue\colour\position is only 'bothered' with when required to be projected for the human to observe it. Of course, the environmental area data is loaded into GPU memory for quick access for processing, but this isn't the key point I am attempting to make.
So my theory is that this God (or simulation if you still want to be atheist) appears to insist our reality per human perception is also of extreme efficiency. It makes sense that this would be the case, who wants entropy to increase at a greater rate if that can be avoided.
Thus, the wave-function collapse is akin to the processor (God) providing the observer with the observation required - where all around the information is in a wave fuzzy wuzzy form.
Just thought I'd bounce that around in your craniums for thought..
Probably the stupidest load of psychotic bollocks you've ever written on here-- and that's saying something.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:46 pm
by accelafine
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:49 pm
accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:33 pm
Is there a conflict there? If all of our decisions are 'pre-determined' and there is no 'free will' then how can there ever be a point at which any decision is ever 'all decisions at once', with every possible decision 'branching off' to create an alternate 'world'?
The MWI bollocks provides no avenue to support "free will", in fact to the contrary. Decisions remain deterministic and every avenue of any decision leads down another path of a deterministic universe.
Right. It's 'bollocks', unlike your little supernatural buddy who gets a sadistic pleasure out of messing with your (in)sanity.
Why don't you email Sean Carroll and let him know that he can stop working on MWI because you have the 'theory of everything'? It's GOD and you have proof of this because he tricked you with a toolbox prank. I'm sure he will be suitably awestruck.
Re: Free will and the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 9:10 pm
by Age
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:22 pm
Age, I've looked everywhere for my dice and can't find it. For the past 2 years I have used it to roll three times, if 6 comes up on every roll then I bother to address your posts.
Even if I find it, I don't like your chances.
you do not address my posts when my posts show how, where, when, and why your views and beliefs are False or Wrong. For example, some of my posts included just how Truly ridiculous and stupid it was to imagine or believe that God could be an 'artificial intelligence', as you kept claiming God could be. Although you would not address this it is great to see that you have changed your views from that Truly absurd and illogical view now.