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Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:11 am

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:47 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:46 am

And you, obviously, are completely incapable of disproving absolutely anything I have said and claimed here.

you cannot even just explain what some so-called made up, 'infinite human potential beliefs', term or saying even means nor could even be referring to, at all.

So, 'I' will be the first to admit that I do not even want to prove something, which you have just made up. I will even admit that I have absolutely no idea what those words could even be referring to, let alone what they could mean, exactly.

And, as you keep proving irrefutably True, asking you to clarify what you even mean you are completely incapable of doing.

More lies, selective amnesia

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

This was the 523th or so time you were incapable of proving any of your above beliefs.

Okay, if you say so. And, what you say here is an absolute truth right, and not a delusional claim and belief of yours at all correct?

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Age: X is the true and irrefutable truth.
Someone Else: could you justify that position?
Age: only after you justify a bunch of things and use language the way I want.
SE: I tried that before and you never got around to justifying your positions.
Age: Oh, that judgment of yours about me is something you believe is an absolute truth.
SE: Actually it seems like your beliefs don't change at all, you never justify them, you are happy to judge others.
Age: I only have one belief. I have no beliefs. When I assert things they are views, so they don't need justification.
SE: OK so when we say things they are beliefs that cannot change and when you say things they are views?
Age: Yes.
SE: You just found a way to categorize your assertions, including harsh judgments of other people, such that you never need to justify them. You're projecting.
Age: Prove that that is true.
SE: You actually proved it yourself.
Age:This one is demonstrating his assumptions and beliefs and stupidity. You are continually proving that you are an absolutely imbecile and completely and utterly stupid.
SE: You are projecting. What you say about other people and their beliefs, that's actually you talking about yourself.
Age: Prove that is true.
SE: I don't need to, because anyone curious about whether it is true or not only has to read your endless assertions about reality and other people that you never justify, let alone demonstrate are true.

It may be hard for Age to realize that the fact that he has many beliefs is obvious to others.
And remains obvious no matter how many times he calls people stupid, all the people of this time.

Watch, he'll insult me as if this will magically make what he does go away.

PROJECTION
in psychoanalytic and psychodynamic theories, the process by which one attributes one’s own individual positive or negative characteristics, affects, and impulses to another person or group. This is often a defense mechanism in which unpleasant or unacceptable impulses, stressors, ideas, affects, or responsibilities are attributed to others.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:09 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:57 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:45 am nothing to see here.. just another incomprehensible thread by Age...

Kropotkin

Yup

Yep, there is, supposedly, absolutely nothing at all to 'look at' and 'see' here. But, yet, 'they', still, 'look', and 'see', and comment.

Yes looking snd seeing and commenting on how there is nothing to see here.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:27 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:09 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:57 pm

Yup

Yep, there is, supposedly, absolutely nothing at all to 'look at' and 'see' here. But, yet, 'they', still, 'look', and 'see', and comment.

Yes looking snd seeing and commenting on how there is nothing to see here.

Okay. So, to "sculptor" there is absolutely nothing at all to see here.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:10 am

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:46 am
My claims are justified, liar.

Okay. So, this one believes that it just has to say, 'My claims are justified', and that that is all this one has to do.

Yet, it also believes that I have to justify my claims, otherwise it then, automatically, believes that I am incapable of proving things.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:46 am Your problem that your identity is based around a delusion system. You only have yourself to thank.

Okay, and when I ask you to clarify what is my, supposed and alleged, 'identity', exactly, you will never answer and clarify, right?

Also, if I was to ask you what is this 'delusional system', which you are going on about here, exactly, then you would never answer and clarify this neither, would you?

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:46 am You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Yes 'we' know what you believe is absolutely true here "atla".

you are just incapable of proving this true though.

you are also incapable of countering and/or refuting what I have already said and claimed here. As you keep proving so.

The Universe is Evolving, always, while Creating Itself.

you, obviously, cannot refute nor counter this. So, you will just keep saying and claiming what you are here, even though you are incapable of proving what you say and claim here.

Of course I can refute it. Evolution only happens on Earth and the rest of the universe is exactly right for evolution on Earth to be possible.

So, if this is all it takes for you to refute what I said and claimed, then, of course, I can refute what you say and claim here, as well.

Evolution happens in the Universe, and every thing is exactly right for evolution in the Universe to not just be possible but to actually happen and occur.

So, if you refuted 'it', then I just refuted what you said and claimed here.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am But no one has shown that the entire universe is evolving.

But you human beings do not show things like this. The Universe is showing how It is evolving.

And, while creating Itself, always, as well.

If you have not yet seen this, then this is another example of being somewhat CLOSED 'looks like'.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am And creation is far more than just cause and effect.

Thus, maybe why I never said 'cause and effect', which let 'us' not forget was a term and phrase only introduced here, along with the word 'intent', by you alone. Two things I never introduced here, and they are two things that only deflect and distract here.

I instead said and talked about, 'Every action has a reaction'. I then when on to partly explain how this reaction process is creation, itself.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am Cause and effect in itself is just a random process in the sense that it doesn't "create" a gradually evolving process.

Okay if you say so. But, considering that this introduced idea of 'yours' was brought here by you alone "atla", and it has absolutely nothing to do with what I actually have talked about here.

So, if cause and effect, in itself, is just a random process in the sense that it does not 'create' a gradually evolving process, then okay.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Well considering that you have not yet been actually capable of refuting what I have said and claimed here, what you say and claim here 'now' is really rather hypocritical, especially considering what you have shown to be incapable of here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am Age: X is the true and irrefutable truth.

I have never said these words.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am Someone Else: could you justify that position?
Age: only after you justify a bunch of things and use language the way I want.

This is also False.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am SE: I tried that before and you never got around to justifying your positions.

But you never tried that before. And this can be proved True by your inability to even explain and clarify what 'that' is, exactly.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am Age: Oh, that judgment of yours about me is something you believe is an absolute truth.

These claimed words are also False.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am SE: Actually it seems like your beliefs don't change at all, you never justify them, you are happy to judge others.

you seem to keep forgetting that you are absolutely free to say and claim absolutely anything at all "iwannaplato". But, just saying and claiming things does not make them true. Remember, until you prove your claim, 'it' is nothing at all but just your words alone.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am Age: I only have one belief. I have no beliefs. When I assert things they are views, so they don't need justification.

Once again your claim here could not be more False. And, this can be proved irrefutably True by 'my actual words', which are here, clearly written, for all to 'look at' and 'see'.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am SE: OK so when we say things they are beliefs that cannot change and when you say things they are views?
Age: Yes.

LOL This one could not provide a better example of 'confirmation bias' and of being completely and utterly blind and deaf here.

I have never ever said, 'Yes', to that question. And, if absolutely anyone was to look back over this ones writings, if I recall correctly, they will never even see this question anywhere here.

But, if they happen to see this question absolutely anywhere here, then they will never ever see my saying and writing, 'Yes', to it.

LOL "iwannaplato" I have never ever even thought that, let alone said and written that I agree to 'that', most strangest of things, absolutely anywhere.

you really do have a very CLOSED, blind, and distorted view and perspective of things here. But, as I keep pointing out and showing here, this is the result of APE-thinking.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am SE: You just found a way to categorize your assertions, including harsh judgments of other people, such that you never need to justify them. You're projecting.
Age: Prove that that is true.
SE: You actually proved it yourself.
Age:This one is demonstrating his assumptions and beliefs and stupidity. You are continually proving that you are an absolutely imbecile and completely and utterly stupid.

If this is how you want to 'see' and 'take' 'my words', then, please, keep on carrying on how you have been "iwannaplato".

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am SE: You are projecting. What you say about other people and their beliefs, that's actually you talking about yourself.
Age: Prove that is true.
SE: I don't need to, because anyone curious about whether it is true or not only has to read your endless assertions about reality and other people that you never justify, let alone demonstrate are true.

How many times do you need to be informed of something before you can comprehend and understand it "iwannaplato"?

Are you sure you are a "teacher", and a "teacher of english"?

If yes, then who do you 'teach' "english" to, exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am It may be hard for Age to realize that the fact that he has many beliefs is obvious to others.

The fact that you cannot comprehend the "english language" might be very, very hard for you to realize, accept, and acknowledge. But, here 'we' are.

Also, the more you keep repeating this here, then the more you keep proving, exactly, how the human brain, with the belief-system, CLOSES you human beings off to the actual and irrefutable Truth of things.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am And remains obvious no matter how many times he calls people stupid, all the people of this time.

What are you even on about here 'now'.

I, once again, have never ever even thought this, let alone said this absolutely anywhere throughout this forum.

So, once again, I can prove True what I say here, which absolutely refutes what you are trying to say and claim here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am Watch, he'll insult me as if this will magically make what he does go away.

Are you absolutely sure?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:08 am

PROJECTION
in psychoanalytic and psychodynamic theories, the process by which one attributes one’s own individual positive or negative characteristics, affects, and impulses to another person or group. This is often a defense mechanism in which unpleasant or unacceptable impulses, stressors, ideas, affects, or responsibilities are attributed to others.

Okay.

I have just started a thread here titled, 'Creation - Evolution'.

you have not managed to stay on topic, yet, but have instead continually projected your views and beliefs 'about me', again, and further.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:14 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:27 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:09 pm

Yep, there is, supposedly, absolutely nothing at all to 'look at' and 'see' here. But, yet, 'they', still, 'look', and 'see', and comment.

Yes looking snd seeing and commenting on how there is nothing to see here.

Okay. So, to "sculptor" there is absolutely nothing at all to see here.

Not "literally". --- You know what literally means?? I doubt that

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:27 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:14 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:27 am

Yes looking snd seeing and commenting on how there is nothing to see here.

Okay. So, to "sculptor" there is absolutely nothing at all to see here.

Not "literally". --- You know what literally means?? I doubt that

Okay.

So, 'we' have another here who says and writes here what they actually do not mean.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:31 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:27 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:14 am

Okay. So, to "sculptor" there is absolutely nothing at all to see here.

Not "literally". --- You know what literally means?? I doubt that

Okay.

So, 'we' have another here who says and writes here what they actually do not mean.

No. My response was "Yup", your own failings to understand basic metaphorical English is your own problem.
At least you can understand what I say.
But you write stuff that you nor anyone else can understand.

So yes there is much here to "see".
An opening post which is word sald but possibly best described as word smoothy.
and then a series of confused responses.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:40 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:31 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:27 pm

Not "literally". --- You know what literally means?? I doubt that

Okay.

So, 'we' have another here who says and writes here what they actually do not mean.

No. My response was "Yup", your own failings to understand basic metaphorical English is your own problem.

But, why do you presume I fail to understand so-called 'basic metaphorical english'?

Also, I was just pointing out what the actual words you used here actually meant.

It is like some of these posters here do not like it when I point out and show what they are really saying, and meaning, here.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:40 pm At least you can understand what I say.
But you write stuff that you nor anyone else can understand.

Just maybe, and this is a just maybe, I am writing like I do here, so that when some things, 'further down the track', as some might say, are understood better, then 'looking back over my words' here might just make perfect sense, and which actually have all along fitted in perfectly with what has been actually irrefutably True all along anyway.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:40 pm So yes there is much here to "see".
An opening post which is word sald but possibly best described as word smoothy.
and then a series of confused responses.

So, are you 'now' saying and suggesting that you cannot comprehend and understand what I said and wrote in the opening post of this thread?

The opening post is really 'self-explanatory'. That is; once one knows how to 'look at' and 'see' things for how they Truly are.

For example why are the first two sentences, 'Every action causes a reaction. Always has, and, always will',so-called 'word salad' to you?

Can you really not yet comprehend and understand this most irrefutable Fact?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:50 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:40 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:31 pm

Okay.

So, 'we' have another here who says and writes here what they actually do not mean.

No. My response was "Yup", your own failings to understand basic metaphorical English is your own problem.

But, why do you presume I fail to understand so-called 'basic metaphorical english'?

Also, I was just pointing out what the actual words you used here actually meant.

It is like some of these posters here do not like it when I point out and show what they are really saying, and meaning, here.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:40 pm At least you can understand what I say.
But you write stuff that you nor anyone else can understand.

Just maybe, and this is a just maybe, I am writing like I do here, so that when some things, 'further down the track', as some might say, are understood better, then 'looking back over my words' here might just make perfect sense, and which actually have all along fitted in perfectly with what has been actually irrefutably True all along anyway.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:40 pm So yes there is much here to "see".
An opening post which is word sald but possibly best described as word smoothy.
and then a series of confused responses.

So, are you 'now' saying and suggesting that you cannot comprehend and understand what I said and wrote in the opening post of this thread?

The opening post is really 'self-explanatory'. That is; once one knows how to 'look at' and 'see' things for how they Truly are.

For example why are the first two sentences, 'Every action causes a reaction. Always has, and, always will',so-called 'word salad' to you?

Can you really not yet comprehend and understand this most irrefutable Fact?

I think Newton got there before you buddy.
It's called inductive reasoning. Not irrefuatble though.

I'd believe much sooner that human biological complexity was designed by an alien species before I'd believe there was a 'god' that spontaneously generated an original pair on erf.

In fact it's much easier to believe... the more easilyer believed option if u HAD to choose. Which u dont, btw. Only if intelligent design has u perplexed would u need to posit this explanation - aliens over god - for that complexity. Otherwise pure nonteleological evolution would suffice. We started out as monomers floating around the vents at the bottom of the ocean and now we're driving corvettes.

All this could be by accident... but to call it an accident would already be misleading becuz it implies there was some intent and design in mind when it bappened. Right. U can't have an accident if u have no purpose or design becuz u can't be (or make) a mistake in that case, can't be unintended.

But when u get down to it and absolutely have to find an extraterrestrial explanation for human origins, you'd go with aliens before god. Theological origin doctrines are all equally ridiculous. Aliens are ridiculous too, but not as ridiculous.

Not necessarily by direct presence in erf but more along the lines of seeding the erf with whatever sets a certain course of biological evolution in motion toward the end result of the human. Coulda made us directly from monkeys or took a monkey and their own DNA to create an upright bipedal mammal hybrid - a monkey alien - with a yuge brain and opposable thumbs.

Age is continually proving that he has many beliefs including negative ones about a lot of people. He proves this in post after post where he makes many assertions, usually not justifying them.
He calls his beliefs views and thinks that they are not beliefs because he named them as something else.
If he responds to this post he will prove again that he has many beliefs.
If he responds to your post, on whatever topic, he will post his beliefs.
His beliefs will not change, even though he calls them views.

Something bizarre like on some Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy level shit would be that throughout the universe countless (or at least many) intelligent forms of life have evolved that have and are now using gene science to design unique life forms and put them on planets. Think Prometheus the movies.

Intelligent life begetting more complex life. playing god, as it were. Travelin around the galaxies and planting life on planets.

Now... just sayin here... if some alien species had sumthin to do with our origins and was around during the initial period of creation, men would describe and write about such events about like they actually have, and did, in ancient religious stories and texts. They reported on what they believed were gods, but were in fact the aliens responsible for our genesis. Some Chariots Of The Gods bro. Shirley you've read that one.

The problem for the abrahamic religions is that it's perfectly reasonable to assume any talk of otherworldly or apparently supernatural events involving angels or demons and such, would be (reported) precisely like and as it has been reported in those religious texts.

Ergo, I can totally imagine Ezekiel seeing a landing craft with some aliens innit, or those Egyptian depictions of gods who look like they're wearing space suits and seated before the control panel of a ship. With breathing hoses 'n shit hooked up to their head-dress/helmets.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:53 am

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:10 am

Okay. So, this one believes that it just has to say, 'My claims are justified', and that that is all this one has to do.

Yet, it also believes that I have to justify my claims, otherwise it then, automatically, believes that I am incapable of proving things.



Okay, and when I ask you to clarify what is my, supposed and alleged, 'identity', exactly, you will never answer and clarify, right?

Also, if I was to ask you what is this 'delusional system', which you are going on about here, exactly, then you would never answer and clarify this neither, would you?




Yes 'we' know what you believe is absolutely true here "atla".

you are just incapable of proving this true though.

you are also incapable of countering and/or refuting what I have already said and claimed here. As you keep proving so.

The Universe is Evolving, always, while Creating Itself.

you, obviously, cannot refute nor counter this. So, you will just keep saying and claiming what you are here, even though you are incapable of proving what you say and claim here.

Of course I can refute it. Evolution only happens on Earth and the rest of the universe is exactly right for evolution on Earth to be possible.

So, if this is all it takes for you to refute what I said and claimed, then, of course, I can refute what you say and claim here, as well.

Evolution happens in the Universe, and every thing is exactly right for evolution in the Universe to not just be possible but to actually happen and occur.

So, if you refuted 'it', then I just refuted what you said and claimed here.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am But no one has shown that the entire universe is evolving.

But you human beings do not show things like this. The Universe is showing how It is evolving.

And, while creating Itself, always, as well.

If you have not yet seen this, then this is another example of being somewhat CLOSED 'looks like'.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am And creation is far more than just cause and effect.

Thus, maybe why I never said 'cause and effect', which let 'us' not forget was a term and phrase only introduced here, along with the word 'intent', by you alone. Two things I never introduced here, and they are two things that only deflect and distract here.

I instead said and talked about, 'Every action has a reaction'. I then when on to partly explain how this reaction process is creation, itself.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am Cause and effect in itself is just a random process in the sense that it doesn't "create" a gradually evolving process.

Okay if you say so. But, considering that this introduced idea of 'yours' was brought here by you alone "atla", and it has absolutely nothing to do with what I actually have talked about here.

So, if cause and effect, in itself, is just a random process in the sense that it does not 'create' a gradually evolving process, then okay.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:18 am You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Well considering that you have not yet been actually capable of refuting what I have said and claimed here, what you say and claim here 'now' is really rather hypocritical, especially considering what you have shown to be incapable of here.

Lol okay, how is the rest of the universe - lifeless rocks, stars, dust, gas etc, evolving exactly? They are changing from one lifeless state to another lifeless state and so on, maybe end up falling back into another singularity, and you call that evolution?

evolution
noun
1.
the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
2.
the gradual development of something

Let's see now how Age can argue for its claim.

Also, it's funny that you claim to talk about action and reaction, universally and without intent, which is also called cause and effect, but you claim to have absolutely never talked about cause and effect. How stupid are you and how stupid do you think others are?