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Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:23 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:19 pm I don't agree, I didn't see any rudeness,

Yes, but you're not serious. You're not being serious. I am being serious about what he was doing.

just raw honest truth that some people may find offensive

Ah, you think his ideas were rude to some people. I suppose that might be true. Not what I reacted to.

I personally didn't find his truth offensive at all.

I didn't find his truth offensive. I'm not a materialist.

And I believe he has nailed people down to a perfection. If people at this forum do not understand this simply truth, then that's their problem not Roy's.

Yeah, but you're not serious. You're not being serious here. I appreciate you telling me that about you and what you say. I hope you listened also to what you said.

Why are you telling me all this...I have seriously had no problem with watching the Roy videos. I rather enjoyed them, that's all I care about right now...I'm not interested in your preachy sermons about the human condition and who said this and who said that...bla blah blah...I eat the grapes and spit out the seeds. You sound a lot like you got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning or something? do you need to take a pain killer for your headache or something ...it seems to be causing you a lot of gonads and strife, all I hear form you is this endless streaming verbal tirade of blah blah blah happening in you there, which I'm reading here, that you think may be of some interest to me here, when in truth I haven't got the slightest bit of interest in your dream story...

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:18 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:43 am
Nope, I'm never being serious, I never take myself serious, it's others that tend to take me serious, I've often heard others saying to me, you cannot be serious, are you serious...and I'm like, no not really...are you?

So, when you seemed to get very upset and told us you were leaving here and presented yourself as feeling very rejected...you weren't being serious? And when you came back and said it was an episode and now it was over and your weren't leaving...that wasn't serious?

Listen, I just do what comes naturally in the moment, it's not a problem to me, I don't feel the need to analyse it.

I leave, then I come back, I feel like crap then I bounce back...so what? That's just what I do. I've told you I don't take anything serious unless I want to.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:20 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:15 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:13 pm I believe you. It seems lie you don't to me also.

Huh, it seems lie you don't to me also...huh...Is this supposed to mean something?

I know what to do with what you say.
As far as what it meant:
You said you didn't know what to do with what I wrote. I said that I believed you. I believed that you did not know what to do with what I wrote. That it seemed to me that you didn't know what to do with what I wrote.

I seriously have absolutely no interest in anything you say to me right now, so you might as well just be talking to the wind.

Which has a colour, it's called blew.

The only thing I'm interested right now on this thread is Roy's videos..that it, that's all folks, everything else is just hot air...it's meaningless.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:28 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:53 am Yep, I'm a right son of bitch to myself, I fucking despise myself, I hate being alive, it's totally offensive to be stuck in this painful meat grinder of a machine, and so I'm going to call it out for all it's worth, which is worthless and nothing.

Well, good, if you think that then you cannot possibly agree with the guy in the videos and you don't get his message at all.

That is, if what you wrote here is true. Since you aren't being serious, I have no idea. But maybe sometimes when you aren't serious you say things you actually feel. And if that's the way you feel

I understand his videos...you can think otherwise, but that will make no difference to what I here, know and understand, your opinions on this matter are like really dreary and dull to my ears, they actually make my brain bleed.

I feel what I feel, if I feel like being alive is a painful experience then that's just what is being felt here...I hate being alive, I always understand that what I feel is just a feeling here, just as the feeling of loving life can sometimes appear...all this has nothing to do with whether I understand Roys videos...I understand them and that's all that matters to me here, your opinion is totally like water off a ducks back to me...only I feel what I feel here, not you. Only I know and understand what I do here. Please stop telling me what you think I know, understand, and don't. You are just projecting your own shit as if it was mine.

If Roy says he is absolutely happy and no longer suffering then I believe him, why would I not, I'm not him, only he is him. If he is feeling absolutley what he says, then who the heck am I to refute what he is feeling..ffs

Just because I feel that life is a constant struggle and a pain in the arse does not mean I do not understand his videos...you are so weird saying that, I just find your comments totally laughable, you thinking that you know what other people are thinking and feeling, and then telling them that they do not understand what they are talking about...just listen to yourself, in fact just shut up you freak.

Just because someone happens to hate being alive does not mean they do not qualify to understand Roy's videos.

It's not like you have to be absolutely happy all the time where suffering is no more for you to understand Roy's video.

FFS, can people be more effing stupid, it's beyond stupid what you idiots believe about pain happiness and suffering.

OMG you people involved in this thread topic are so totally clueless, it's just so bleeding painful to listen to all the ridiculous crap that comes out of your stupid dumb cake holes.

It's like banging my head against a brick wall talking to the people involved in this topic.

Please just leave the thread if it's not for you...it's that bloody simple isn't it morons. But yeah, feel free to rip it to shreds before you leave, afterall, that's the nature of the beast to rip to shreds what it doesn't agree with.


Welcome to the lions den, or just walk away, and RIP....because that's where we're all heading for in the end, as if nothing ever happened, and all your silly dance drama was just like yesterdays news.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:47 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:30 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:00 pm

Hey Roy. From what I gather, you are presenting a view.

Regarding your specific interest in language, do you have a way of integrating the view into action?

(If you mentioned it I missed it)

I get into the practice as well as the rest of the theory here:

https://youtu.be/0k7_nSnYGrU

I implore you and everyone to watch this with as much of a Beginners Mind as possible. The ego does not want you to "get this" because it will result in its death. If one does not want to SEE what is being presented, it will not be seen no matter how precise, and obvious its presentation.

I don't know. Honestly, it seems like a put-on, not to put you down. I just have not seen much to sink my teeth into.

I focused on the first eight minutes of your first video. Then I sped-viewed the rest, stopping often to hear. Did the same with second video. With the third, within seconds I heard a voice not yours refer to Roy, so then I moved on to this posting.

Tell you what. You set some conditions for communication.

Some more conditions in light of language, and practicing a view:

State your case in fifty words or less. No pronouns. Don't use any form of to be: past or present or future. I think that might clear things up, at least for me.

The practice of posting: Truth, plus e-prime.

So you didn't concentrate and try to understand what was being said but instead fast forwarded through it and now you tell me I'm the one that needs to elaborate?

No.

It's all there very clearly and succinctly. It is the most important message to ever be presented to humanity and if you're not interested enough to actually focus on it then you obviously aren't ready.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:49 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:26 am I haven't seen Roy around this forum in months, maybe years...so I was surprised to see him in actual physicality and that he even bothered to pop in to show off his own videos, was in my opinion generous and confident,

I'm not sure I would call using this forum to increase his Youtube figures an act of generosity.

I'm presenting Truth for no other reason. It's the Truth and it needs to be shared.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:13 pm
It is the most important message to ever be presented to humanity and if you're not interested enough to actually focus on it then you obviously aren't ready.

It's not as if I've really thought about it, but I wouldn't have expected the most important message to ever be presented to humanity to be delivered by somebody like you.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:19 pm I'm presenting Truth for no other reason. It's the Truth and it needs to be shared.

How do we know it's the truth? Do you have a certificate of authenticity or something?

I'm not saying it isn't the truth, btw, I only watched a couple of minutes.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:02 pm

I fucking despise myself, I hate being alive, it's totally offensive to be stuck in this painful meat grinder of a machine, and so I'm going to call it out for all it's worth, which is worthless and nothing.

There's that positivity I'm told the nihilistic have in such abundance.

I'd give it a but I think a is more appropriate.

Yeah, sure, that's one rendition of nihilism. Another, however, revolves around getting as far removed as you can from the meat-minds like henry quirk.

Why meat-mind? Because for the fulminating fanatic objectivists like him, they go through life ever and always obligated to Do The Right Thing. Their options are hopelessly mired in that mentality. Their own rendition of "What Would Jesus Do?"

It's what gives them their "comfort and consolation" of course but, on this side of the grave, at what cost?



Anyway, enough of that.

Back to part one and part two of roydop's very own "general description intellectual contraptions".

And this part:

What on earth "for all practical purposes" does that which is noted regarding nothing, something, anything or everything in the video have to do with the world we live and interact with others in?

In particular, relating to that which is of most importance to me: How ought one to live morally in a world teeming with both conflicting goods and a ceaseless profusion of contingency, chance and change?

And this part:

...cite some particular examples from your own life where everything was changed in regard to a moral/political/spiritual conflict you had with others. Given the argument from the part one/part two videos.

You know, for those interested in exploring roydop's conclusions out in the world of actual human interactions that come into conflict.

For example, the part where henry quirk asks him, "okay, but what's it got to do with buying and selling bazookas and having an abortion?"

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:36 pm
Why are you telling me all this

I'm responding to what you wrote. Did you not understand that?

...I have seriously had no problem with watching the Roy videos.

I know. I read what you wrote.

I rather enjoyed them, that's all I care about right now...I'm not interested in your preachy sermons about the human condition and who said this and who said that...bla blah blah...I eat the grapes and spit out the seeds

I am sure you will figure out a way to deal with things you are not interesting in.

. You sound a lot like you got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning or something? do you need to take a pain killer for your headache or something ...it seems to be causing you a lot of gonads and strife, all I hear form you is this endless streaming verbal tirade of blah blah blah happening in you there, which I'm reading here,

Sort of like...well, yours here.

that you think may be of some interest to me here, when in truth I haven't got the slightest bit of interest in your dream story...

I'm sure you'll figure out a way to deal with things that do not interest you. But I don't take your complaints here seriously, since you told me not to.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:41 pm Listen, I just do what comes naturally in the moment, it's not a problem to me, I don't feel the need to analyse it.

Analyze?? You'd need to analyze what I asked about? If someone asked me if I was serious when I yelled at them, for example, I wouldn't need to analyze. ARe you very much up in your head, cut off from yourself? Is it something else?

I leave, then I come back, I feel like crap then I bounce back...so what? That's just what I do. I've told you I don't take anything serious unless I want to.

Well, actually you said something broader than this. But anyway, you only take things seroiusly that you want to. Welcome to the human race. I don't know anyone that description doesn't fit.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:45 pm I seriously have absolutely no interest in anything you say to me right now, so you might as well just be talking to the wind.

I'm sure you'll figure out how to deal with things you have no interest in. It actually seems like either you are playing here, and are interested, or you haven't figured it out yet. Fun.

The only thing I'm interested right now on this thread is Roy's videos..that it, that's all folks, everything else is just hot air...it's meaningless.

Hm, it doesn't seem that way, but you may be playing here. Fun.
I'm sure you'll figure out a way to deal with things that do not interest you. It's actually very easy.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:06 pm ]I understand his videos...you can think otherwise, but that will make no difference to what I here, know and understand, your opinions on this matter are like really dreary and dull to my ears, they actually make my brain bleed.

WEll, then he was wrong about that. Perhaps you can take that up with him. He thinks someone like that isn't getting it. I can't resolve your difference with him on that issue, I just pointed it out.

I feel what I feel, if I feel like being alive is a painful experience then that's just what is being felt here...I hate being alive, I always understand that what I feel is just a feeling here, just as the feeling of loving life can sometimes appear...all this has nothing to do with whether I understand Roys videos...I understand them and that's all that matters to me here, your opinion is totally like water off a ducks back to me

YOu can't be serious here (thanks for helping me understand you, re: seriousness). You are not interested in my posts, my opinion does not matter and yet you keep responding over and over.
But I'm sure you'll figure out a way to deal with things you are not interested in.

...only I feel what I feel here, not you. Only I know and understand what I do here. Please stop telling me what you think I know, understand, and don't. You are just projecting your own shit as if it was mine.

I know it's unpleasant, but then I don't take you seriously here. Especially since you never actually respond to points I make, just conclusions you don't like.

You're enjoying interacting with me, under all this negative talk that sounds so serious. Thank you again for letting me know you aren't serious here.

If Roy says he is absolutely happy and no longer suffering then I believe him, why would I not, I'm not him, only he is him. If he is feeling absolutley what he says, then who the heck am I to refute what he is feeling..ffs

Strange. It is as if I said you should doubt his claim about his feelings or refute him. You don't have to make up stuff, especially if you don't care as you've said.

Just because I feel that life is a constant struggle and a pain in the arse does not mean I do not understand his videos

He thinks so. Listen to what he says it entails if one understands him. I'm not saying you can't both understand him and feel like shit. I am just pointing out what he claims it entails. You don't have to do a single thing about that, certainly not on my account.

...you are so weird saying that, I just find your comments totally laughable,

Oh, maybe that's what keeps you interested. I like laughing, maybe you do too.

you thinking that you know what other people are thinking and feeling,

Saying, in this case it is what he is saying. No mindreading involved at all.

and then telling them that they do not understand what they are talking about...just listen to yourself, in fact just shut up you freak.

I'm just listening to your story. You can insult me if you like even more. Or not. Since you are not interested in my posts,
or you are interested. Maybe you weren't serious when you said you weren't interested, you little gamester, you.

I love it. Knowing that you aren't serious makes it like reading two posts when I read one of yours. The one that pretends to be serious and all huffy, especially at the end and the other, real post, where you aren't being serious. This is fun.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:22 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:13 pm
It is the most important message to ever be presented to humanity and if you're not interested enough to actually focus on it then you obviously aren't ready.

It's not as if I've really thought about it, but I wouldn't have expected the most important message to ever be presented to humanity to be delivered by somebody like you.

You know nothing about me and my past.

When I hit 30 years of age I was taken by a need to figure all of this out. I had been raised a Christian but the whole narrative never made sense. I read dozens of books on quantum physics, different religions and some philosophy (existentialism). My mantra became: "I set my intention on knowing God." "I intend to know the true nature of reality." With absolute conviction and sincerity these phrases were repeated. I began meditating and now I know that it came naturally. I was able to find the thought free state easily and the feeling I got was that of being close to "God".

I called myself a "Buddhist" for about a decade but it still didn't fit perfectly. I was still searching. I experimented with Salvia Divinorum and purchased a float (sensory deprivation) tank. Then I came across the teaching of Ramana Maharshi and all searching concluded. I had found the answer and now all of my energy went directly into the practice of shifting attention to the space between thoughts as often as I remembered to and remaining there as long as I was able.

Now, after thousands of hours of intensive mediation and hundreds of hours of floating, as well as the knowledge gained from my Salvia experiences, I do know God and the true nature of reality. My adequate IQ of being in the 92nd percentile and my dyslexia have also contributed to the result of being the only person in all of history to correctly interpret the message presented by the information (of the number system and the triune system).

As I said in the videos, all of humanity is under the spell of a cult. They cannot SEE what is so simply and obviously presented to them via the Theory of Enlightenment.