Abortion

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Here's the thing I'm still fuzzy about...

Can the Congress then pass legislation that literally makes all abortions illegal? Legislation the president then signs and enforces. Law that is then backed by the Supremes?

That's not what they've done. It's not even what anybody has tried to do.

All the Supreme Court has said is that R v. W. was not a federal issue, one over which the federal government had rightful say. They haven't said that they are planning to ban abortion, or that the individual states will do so. They've just said, essentially, that provision of abortions is a matter that has to be decided at the state level.

But my question was once the Supremes overturn Roe, can a Republican Congress and Presidency down the road -- a re-elected Trump? -- pass legislation that does make all [or almost all] abortions illegal? The states be damned?

No. This decision means that they no longer have any jurisdiction to do so. That will not happen.

I wish it would. But it cannot.

Although, sure, I may not be understanding the "technical" issues here correctly.

Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense, I agree. Something as vile as abortion should be not just a federal concern, but a human concern. It actually transcends all human courts -- so that no court, no matter how self-importantly "Supreme" actually can make abortion moral.

However, that's not what this ruling says. It says that abortion law is permanently, constitutionally, a state matter. And it is only at the state level that, from here on in, it can be adjudicated. I think that's lame and cowardly. But it's not worse than abortion being legislated from the federal level, which is what R v. W was.

That's the difference between law and morality. The law only says what arrangements humans will accept (constitutionally, practically). Morality is bigger: it judges all laws. And any law promoting abortion will always be immoral, no matter how many humans decide to say otherwise, or where they adjudicate that from.

Why is abortion 'vile'? Is someone forcing you to have one?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Women do not often rape so your words are bullshit.

Don't pretend we're not living in an era of "free love" and open promiscuity where sexual activity is advertised and promoted. It's celebrated.

Simply observe mass media for a bit. Youtube, for example, where minor channels and content creators can't question the Holocaust but multi-million subscriber music channels can celebrate and sell mindless molestation and sexuality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4poTWjMs). Sex culture is thriving. There are whores, there are meatheads, there are rapists. There are a bunch of animals thrusting. That's largely what biology is, hence my earlier statement:

Perhaps the issue isn't society but rather the species. Further, perhaps the issue is biology itself.

Funny that you bring up the Holocaust. Are you upset that you can't write what you want about THAT on HERE? Is that why you were banned?
You think humans have only recently taken up being sexual beings? You should have a look at the frescos in Pompeii, or Japanese, Chinese and Indian artworks...

[daniel j lavender]

Personally I am proudly childfree...

What a fucking pathetic thing to be 'proud' of.

Oh yeah, and according to your profile you only recently opened your account. I thought your vomit seemed familiar. Probably got banned.

Procreating or having children isn't that big of an accomplishment. Stray cats and dogs do it. Many humans do it by accident. Well, many cancel before the accident actually arrives, hence abortion.

This is my first account on this forum.

[daniel j lavender]

Women do not often rape so your words are bullshit.

Don't pretend we're not living in an era of "free love" and open promiscuity where sexual activity is advertised and promoted. It's celebrated.

Hardly relevant.
A "whore" sells sex for money. That is definitively not free sex. So it seems y0u continue to talk bollocks.

You conveniently skipped over the rest of my comment:

Simply observe mass media for a bit. Youtube, for example, where minor channels and content creators can't question the Holocaust but multi-million subscriber music channels can celebrate and sell mindless molestation and sexuality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4poTWjMs).

Society celebrates and stimulates sexual activity only for citizens to complain of rape.

[Immanuel Can]

Why is abortion 'vile'? Is someone forcing you to have one?

You don't think that murdering people is vile?

[attofishpi]

Why is abortion 'vile'? Is someone forcing you to have one?

You don't think that murdering people is vile?

God doesn't so Y should anyone else?

[Immanuel Can]

Why is abortion 'vile'? Is someone forcing you to have one?

You don't think that murdering people is vile?

God doesn't so Y should anyone else?

You don't believe in God.

So you can't make any premises involving Him.

[attofishpi]

You don't think that murdering people is vile?

God doesn't so Y should anyone else?

You don't believe in God.

So you can't make any premises involving Him.

What do you mean by I don't believe in God? ..and, how does that negate the fact that God appears to find murdering people non-vile?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Personally I am proudly childfree...

What a fucking pathetic thing to be 'proud' of.

Oh yeah, and according to your profile you only recently opened your account. I thought your vomit seemed familiar. Probably got banned.

Procreating or having children isn't that big of an accomplishment. Stray cats and dogs do it. Many humans do it by accident. Well, many cancel before the accident actually arrives, hence abortion.

This is my first account on this forum.

Not having sex because you are repulsive is hardly an 'accomplishment' either.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Why is abortion 'vile'? Is someone forcing you to have one?

You don't think that murdering people is vile?

That's not what I asked. Why is abortion vile?

[daniel j lavender]

Not having sex because you are repulsive is hardly an 'accomplishment' either.

If I'm not seeking to procreate then being repulsive wouldn't matter to me anyway, now would it?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Not having sex because you are repulsive is hardly an 'accomplishment' either.

If I'm not seeking to procreate then being repulsive wouldn't matter to me anyway, now would it?

It's hardly a 'choice' then. No doubt you prefer children to women.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Women do not often rape so your words are bullshit.

Don't pretend we're not living in an era of "free love" and open promiscuity where sexual activity is advertised and promoted. It's celebrated.

Hardly relevant.
A "whore" sells sex for money. That is definitively not free sex. So it seems y0u continue to talk bollocks.

You are trivialising the issue.
How many of the half million raped women each year in the USA, get pregnant and wish to terminate the child of her abuser?

What does rape have to do with it? Whatever a woman's reason for needing to terminate her pregnancy is her business, and her's alone.

[iambiguous]

From the NYT

'Where Does the Anti-Abortion Movement Go After Roe?

The Supreme Court draft opinion signals a new era for the 50-year effort to end the constitutional right to abortion. Next goals include a national ban and, in some cases, classifying abortion as homicide.'

Again, if I understand this correctly, many who favor Roe v. Wade being overturned will use the argument that each individual state ought to have the constitutional right to pass its own laws about abortion.

So, okay, if the Republican Party does take control of both the Congress and the White House and passes a law that bans all [or almost all] abortions, will these same folks then protest because it would deny the Blue States the right to pass legislation that continued to support the right of abortion?

And how many here believe that abortion ought to be deemed a homicide? Premeditated murder on the part of those who perform them and have them.

How many of you would turn in someone who performed one or had one? Someone you know and love say. And if you didn't shouldn't you be charged with failure to report a crime?

[daniel j lavender]

Don't pretend we're not living in an era of "free love" and open promiscuity where sexual activity is advertised and promoted. It's celebrated.

Hardly relevant.
A "whore" sells sex for money. That is definitively not free sex. So it seems y0u continue to talk bollocks.

You are trivialising the issue.
How many of the half million raped women each year in the USA, get pregnant and wish to terminate the child of her abuser?

What does rape have to do with it? Whatever a woman's reason for needing to terminate her pregnancy is her business, and her's alone.

And thus evidence of the truth is revealed.

Most abortions occur because humans are recklessly rubbing the meat, mindlessly partaking of cheap, carnal gratification without forethought or responsibility.

Not even rodents participate in such grotesque activity.