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gaffo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:25 am i affirm historical accuracy.

Check your stats, then. I was right. It's over 100 million, by even the most kind estimates. More likely, it's over 140. But even if it were only the 50 million you admit, it would still be the most homicidal type of regime in history...so I'm not sure you can win that argument.

do you know of Argie history, the thousands of "leftists" thown out of helicopters, other thousands mudered in soccer fields in the 70's.

Well, that's what South American police states do. But I'm not sure that does anything to recommend the record of Socialism.

there are exceptions to all rules, and germany was one.

It wasn't. Nazi means "national Socialist." And before he became a Fascist, Mussolini was a Communist. It wasn't a big step for him.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:28 am

gaffo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:25 am i affirm historical accuracy.

Check your stats, then. I was right. It's over 100 million, by even the most kind estimates. More likely, it's over 140.

15 million in Ukraine, 30 million in China, 5 Pol Pot (a Buddist BTW), thats 50 million.

i'm willing to add to that, per Veitnam, Russian dead in battle during ww2..........still less than your claim.

post here the 100 million/140 million dead via Socialism - a claim you make, so provide the numbers below:

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provde them to educate me on the numbers you claim as valid. otherwise shut up and affirm historical facts.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:28 am But even if it were only the 50 million you admit, it would still be the most homicidal type of regime in history...so I'm not sure you can win that argument.

my argument is to affirm historical facts.

what is your argument? ignore historical fact?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:28 am

do you know of Argie history, the thousands of "leftists" thown out of helicopters, other thousands mudered in soccer fields in the 70's.

Well, that's what South American police states do. But I'm not sure that does anything to recommend the record of Socialism.

there are exceptions to all rules, and germany was one.

It wasn't. Nazi means "national Socialist." And before he became a Fascist, Mussolini was a Communist. It wasn't a big step for him.

my point is that 90 percent of the killing in Latin America has been done of Right gov, not Socialist ones.

you are not a dummy so stop playing dumb, you know my point prior to your silly post deny historical fact.


are you ignorant of history of Chile, Argentina, Guatamala, el Salvador????????????? - all murderous regimes of the Right/Reich kind, not socialist in any way.

maybe you are. ;-/.

I'm not going to argue. I'm just going to repeat the important bit:

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:28 am But even if it were only the 50 million you admit, it would still be the most homicidal type of regime in history...so I'm not sure you can win that argument.

my point is that 90 percent of the killing in Latin America has been done of Right gov, not Socialist ones.

Heh. Your argument there smells like a ripe egg, I'm afraid. It's a version of the tu quoque fallacy, but doesn't even get the "tu" right.

I don't think anybody here suggested we should opt for a South American totalitarian state. And I haven't the faintest idea how you think pointing out their evils redeems any of the evils of Socialism. Seems to me you've just found another rotten government.

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I'm not going to argue. I'm just going to repeat the important bit:

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But even if it were only the 50 million you admit, it would still be the most homicidal type of regime in history...so I'm not sure you can win that argument.[/quote]

[quote]my point is that 90 percent of the killing in Latin America has been done of Right gov, not Socialist ones.[/quote]
Heh. Your argument there smells like a ripe egg, I'm afraid. It's a version of the [i]tu quoque[/i] fallacy, but doesn't even get the "tu" right.

I don't think anybody here suggested we should opt for a South American totalitarian state. And I haven't the faintest idea how you think pointing out their evils redeems any of the evils of Socialism. Seems to me you've just found another rotten government.
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As soon as someone mentions statistics, the argument is over, unfinished 'til forever.

Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:14 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:55 am Do you really want to be interpreted in just any way at all?

Just ordinary ones will do for a start.

Then say something capable of ordinary interpretation, instead of a lot of vagueness.

>say something capable of ordinary interpretation, instead of a lot of vagueness.

What you consider vague, others consider sufficient. What you believe requires explanation is where others believe ordinary interpretations will do.

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm

>say something capable of ordinary interpretation, instead of a lot of vagueness.

What you consider vague, others consider sufficient.

Who are these magical "others"? Nobody but you thinks you said anything specific at all.

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[quote]>say something capable of ordinary interpretation, instead of a lot of vagueness.[/quote]
What you consider vague, others consider sufficient.
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Who are these magical "others"? Nobody but you thinks you said anything specific at all.
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These are not the droids you're looking for.

https://sites.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/asreview.htm

from the piece...

U.S.S.R.: 20 million deaths; China: 65 million deaths; Vietnam: 1 million deaths; North Korea: 2 million deaths; Cambodia: 2 million deaths: Eastern Europe: 1 million deaths; Latin America: 150,000 deaths; Africa: 1.7 million deaths; Afghanistan: 1.5 million deaths; The international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power: about 10,000 deaths… The total approaches 100 million people killed.

I await the silly comments, but that was communism, not socialism and/or they just didn't do socialism right