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Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:25 pm
“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
thomas paine, the deist
Clearly not a very reasonable man then - since he couldn't see Christ for the Churches.
- Andrew Seas
"Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper."
~ Albert Einstein
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:25 am
"Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper."
~ Albert Einstein
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:25 am
"Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper."
~ Albert Einstein
(I disagree)
I disagree too. We have free will.
..sure, but would you agree that there are varying degrees of free will - as in, does the insect have as much free will as a sheep?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:25 am
"Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper."
~ Albert Einstein
(I disagree)
I disagree too. We have free will.
..sure, but would you agree that there are varying degrees of free will - as in, does the insect have as much free will as a sheep?
I think we are similar when it comes to mind, the mind being a substance that experience, freely decides, and causes. We however have different bodies.
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:27 am
I disagree too. We have free will.
..sure, but would you agree that there are varying degrees of free will - as in, does the insect have as much free will as a sheep?
I think we are similar when it comes to mind, the mind being a substance that experience, freely decides, and causes. We however have different bodies.
..similar - but FAR more contrary to 'natural' causality as INTELLIGENCE increases - as one of my very first posts I made way back in 2011. - a bloke called (CW) - Sculptor even had the audacity to suggest that is was not me that made the original statement..
MY ACCOUNT OF CAUSALITY WHEN CONFRONTED TO HIGHTER INTELLIGENCE AND THE INFLUENCE UPON 'CAUSALITY' indeed DETERMINISM STANDS TO REASON.
REAL IT Y?
Since the big-bang, the ebb and flow of a cause and effect universe eventually ceases its natural progression as life evolves into an increasingly intelligent form. The more intelligent the life-form, the greater the opposition to this natural causal outcome.
Intelligent life forms require increasing amounts of energy to sustain their lifestyle. As resources diminish (entropy increases) these lifeforms must interface to a super efficient state.
Would conscious awareness eventually evolve into an overriding intelligent system, created by such intelligent beings in the first place...and as they are reborn, they are not aware that IT is GOD...the ultimate judge as to whom shall have access to these limited resources?
Remember, our entire reality is fed to us by only five senses. One thing is certain, man didn't have IT very long ago...back when the word reality was formed.
YES. We either have a 'divine' God or an A.I. 'God.
..sure, but would you agree that there are varying degrees of free will - as in, does the insect have as much free will as a sheep?
I think we are similar when it comes to mind, the mind being a substance that experience, freely decides, and causes. We however have different bodies.
..similar - but FAR more contrary to 'natural' causality as INTELLIGENCE increases - as one of my very first posts I made way back in 2011. - a bloke called (CW) - Sculptor even had the audacity to suggest that is was not me that made the original statement..
MY ACCOUNT OF CAUSALITY WHEN CONFRONTED TO HIGHTER INTELLIGENCE AND THE INFLUENCE UPON 'CAUSALITY' indeed DETERMINISM STANDS TO REASON.
REAL IT Y?
Since the big-bang, the ebb and flow of a cause and effect universe eventually ceases its natural progression as life evolves into an increasingly intelligent form. The more intelligent the life-form, the greater the opposition to this natural causal outcome.
Intelligent life forms require increasing amounts of energy to sustain their lifestyle. As resources diminish (entropy increases) these lifeforms must interface to a super efficient state.
Would conscious awareness eventually evolve into an overriding intelligent system, created by such intelligent beings in the first place...and as they are reborn, they are not aware that IT is GOD...the ultimate judge as to whom shall have access to these limited resources?
Remember, our entire reality is fed to us by only five senses. One thing is certain, man didn't have IT very long ago...back when the word reality was formed.
YES. We either have a 'divine' God or an A.I. 'God.
Oh yeah, they are more knowledgeable than us because they are older and they lived longer. I don't believe in God who created everything at the beginning but the God who knows everything now or a while ago.
