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Dontaskme wrote:

ken wrote:
By the way everything else besides what is needed to live and survive are just wants and ALL of these wants lead to greed, which then has caused pollution, which then leads to polluted air and water, whilst greed also causes lack of nutrients for some and also could be seen as the greatest cause of neglect of children, and thus of child abuse in the world. Ironically, polluted air, polluted water, lack of nutrients and child abuse are all the things we do NOT need and coincidentally do NOT want.

Wanting is the problem I agree.

I can't see greed ever changing, it's the nature of the beast. We're no different than any other animal on this planet.

But no other animal, besides the human being animal, is greedy. So, we, human beings, are in fact, in this sense, VERY different than any other animal on this planet.

The reason human beings are greedy is very simple, and because of this simplicity, if and when the reason is fully discovered and understood, then the solution is also just as simple. It is very easy to change our greedy behaviors around completely, and then moving in the opposite and right direction, which will and is for the benefit of all.

There is nothing hard in Life, only human beings see things as being hard. Also, it is only human beings that make things appear hard.

Dontaskme wrote:We just happened to evolve an awareness that can solve every problem we have self created.

And, only human beings create problems.

For every problem we, human beings, create there is also a solution.

There is, in fact, even a solution and answer to the problem, 'How do we find the solution that will solve all of our problems?"

Dontaskme wrote:It's ironic in that we create a problem and then want to solve the problem. If only we didn't create the problem in the first place, and that's the problem, in that no one is doing it...it's just what happens. Having the knowledge of right and wrong, or what's moral or not has created problems that were never there in the first place....knowledge has been our enemy.

But finding the reasons WHY all of us adults do wrong provides the solution, and thus is also the prevention, for wrong ever happening again.

Adults may want to believe they are not doing 'it', wrong, but adults are the only one's doing wrong. There is nothing at all that makes adults do wrong, they just choose to it. But within the reason WHY they all do wrong lays the answer and solution, to this problem.

Once adults are truly honest with themselves then prevention can and WILL take place. Prevention is, after all, better than a cure.

Dontaskme wrote:For example: we might strive for happiness because we think we're unhappy....but life has never been unhappy to want happiness. That's the point we seem to miss.

And, a very true point.

I have telling people for hundreds of centuries just be happy with what you have already got. But you can imagine how many have missed this mark, and want more?

Dontaskme wrote:Life doesn't want anything....it's the human wanting that's the problem, I don't think there is any hope for humans, extinction beckons.

That is the difference between the two of us individual people. i have seen exactly how people can change, from wanting what is not needed, and how that change can and will take place for the better of 'themselves', and thus also for the better of everyone.

There is always hope. If not, then there is really no use in continuing. Without hope there is no reason to live.

ken wrote:But no other animal, besides the human being animal, is greedy.

All animals are greedy but few are empowered to fully reveal their naked greed for mates, food, territory and other resources. Consider animals with harem style structures; the dominant male greedily demands access to all females, not allowing other males access. There are many examples of animals overconsuming their environment to the point where they wipe themselves out.

Aside from intelligence, communication and aspects of morphology, humans have two major differences to other species:

1) they are unique as large eusocial mammals with specialised roles, including power and leadership roles (akin to queens and drones with colonial insects) and

2) they are unchallenged by other (large) species, allowing them to create purpose-built environments that permit them to consider their existence in lieu of the rest of nature, thinking of "nature" (as though they were outside nature) as merely a resource. This anthropocentric attitude is to be expected. All species groups are self-focused, but the self-focus is a perspective error. Our senses don't give us "the truth", more just naturally selected aspects of reality that are efficacious.

Human empowerment throws life's natural expansiveness and acquisitiveness into a clear light, exemplified by economic rationalists' push for economic growth. In that, our institutions are not so different to amoebas - mindless growth for growth's sake. Freed from many natural limits (eg. daily concerns with predators) life just keeps on pushing to expand its boundaries.

ken wrote:

sthitapragya wrote:

ken wrote:if abuse if left to continue, then that species causing the abuse will then be wiped out, which to Oneness is of no great loss or not, but, by nature, Oneness would try to keep every species,

99.9% of all species ever created are extinct. If Oneness is trying to keep every species, it is failing miserably.

I do not recall writing the above as it appears, but that does not mean I did not. BUT, what i found I wrote was:

" HOWEVER, if abuse if left to continue, then that species causing the abuse could and will most likely then be wiped out, which to Oneness is of no great loss really, but, by nature, if Oneness brings or allows a species to come into existence, then It would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. "

What I actually added to and actually did write is: "It [Oneness] would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed

The last part clarified what I meant and the bold words were missing. I could assume what has taken place here, but I will not.

So, on what I actually DID write it now appears that Oneness is NOT at all failing miserably.

This is great evidence of how just a few words taken out, and/or words are misconstrued and/or taken out of context, can completely change the meaning and context of what is actually being written and said.

This is proof how easily things can be over looked and changed in just one discussion and one interpretation so just imagine how much things could have been over looked, changed, misconstrued, and/or taken and of context, and then translated and/or misinterpreted when being passed on and on for centuries and more.

Like Lacewing, I am done too. Thanks. I cannot argue with you if you believe Oneness is controlling evolution.

Ken wrote:

But finding the reasons WHY all of us adults do wrong provides the solution, and thus is also the prevention, for wrong ever happening again.

Adults may want to believe they are not doing 'it', wrong, but adults are the only one's doing wrong. There is nothing at all that makes adults do wrong, they just choose to it. But within the reason WHY they all do wrong lays the answer and solution, to this problem.

Once adults are truly honest with themselves then prevention can and WILL take place. Prevention is, after all, better than a cure.

Do you believe Man is as described by Socrates and the Bible? The outer man is the learned personality that surrounds the inner man which is what we are born with. If so do you agree with me that society affects the outer man while the essence of religion is directed towards the inner man. Right and wrong can affect the outer man differently than the inner man. Is it possible that a society could be built on the outer man reflecting the inner man like the bodies of the lilies reflect their essence? What would it be like for the inner man if it ever were to grow up and not remain a slave to its acquired personality?

Socrates — 'Give me beauty in the inward soul; may the outward and the inward man be at one.'

Matthew 6: 28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

2 Corinthians 4:16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.

Greta wrote:

ken wrote:But no other animal, besides the human being animal, is greedy.

All animals are greedy but few are empowered to fully reveal their naked greed for mates, food, territory and other resources. Consider animals with harem style structures; the dominant male greedily demands access to all females, not allowing other males access. There are many examples of animals overconsuming their environment to the point where they wipe themselves out.

Aside from intelligence, communication and aspects of morphology, humans have two major differences to other species:

1) they are unique as large eusocial mammals with specialised roles, including power and leadership roles (akin to queens and drones with colonial insects) and

2) they are unchallenged by other (large) species, allowing them to create purpose-built environments that permit them to consider their existence in lieu of the rest of nature, thinking of "nature" (as though they were outside nature) as merely a resource. This anthropocentric attitude is to be expected. All species groups are self-focused, but the self-focus is a perspective error. Our senses don't give us "the truth", more just naturally selected aspects of reality that are efficacious.

Human empowerment throws life's natural expansiveness and acquisitiveness into a clear light, exemplified by economic rationalists' push for economic growth. In that, our institutions are not so different to amoebas - mindless growth for growth's sake. Freed from many natural limits (eg. daily concerns with predators) life just keeps on pushing to expand its boundaries.

I could have clarified better before. Depending on how we want to specifically define 'greed', it could be argued that, human beings are the only animal that is greedy. Or,
all animals are greedy. Or,
every species of any thing is greedy, not just animals.

ken wrote:I could have clarified better before. Depending on how we want to specifically define 'greed', it could be argued that, human beings are the only animal that is greedy. Or,
all animals are greedy. Or,
every species of any thing is greedy, not just animals.

I go for "wanting more than you need at the expense of those who are more in need". Just an unchecked natural urge towards growth.

sthitapragya wrote:

ken wrote:

sthitapragya wrote:
99.9% of all species ever created are extinct. If Oneness is trying to keep every species, it is failing miserably.

I do not recall writing the above as it appears, but that does not mean I did not. BUT, what i found I wrote was:

" HOWEVER, if abuse if left to continue, then that species causing the abuse could and will most likely then be wiped out, which to Oneness is of no great loss really, but, by nature, if Oneness brings or allows a species to come into existence, then It would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. "

What I actually added to and actually did write is: "It [Oneness] would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed

The last part clarified what I meant and the bold words were missing. I could assume what has taken place here, but I will not.

So, on what I actually DID write it now appears that Oneness is NOT at all failing miserably.

This is great evidence of how just a few words taken out, and/or words are misconstrued and/or taken out of context, can completely change the meaning and context of what is actually being written and said.

This is proof how easily things can be over looked and changed in just one discussion and one interpretation so just imagine how much things could have been over looked, changed, misconstrued, and/or taken and of context, and then translated and/or misinterpreted when being passed on and on for centuries and more.

Like Lacewing, I am done too. Thanks. I cannot argue with you if you believe Oneness is controlling evolution.

How many times do I have to tell sth, "I neither believe nor disbelieve anything?"

I do not recall ever saying Oneness controls evolution, but rather I have said something similar to Oneness, It Self, is evolving, e.g., Oneness is creating It's Self, how we, human beings, see it NOW through an evolutionary-creative process.

Also, all I have done here is just shown what the REAL quote should have been, in respect of what I TRULY stated, and not the incorrect quote that was portrayed, which you originally replied to. If what I had actually wrote was portrayed, fully and correctly, then obviously sth would not have replied with what sth did.

ken wrote:

sthitapragya wrote:

ken wrote:
I do not recall writing the above as it appears, but that does not mean I did not. BUT, what i found I wrote was:

" HOWEVER, if abuse if left to continue, then that species causing the abuse could and will most likely then be wiped out, which to Oneness is of no great loss really, but, by nature, if Oneness brings or allows a species to come into existence, then It would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. "

What I actually added to and actually did write is: "It [Oneness] would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed

The last part clarified what I meant and the bold words were missing. I could assume what has taken place here, but I will not.

So, on what I actually DID write it now appears that Oneness is NOT at all failing miserably.

This is great evidence of how just a few words taken out, and/or words are misconstrued and/or taken out of context, can completely change the meaning and context of what is actually being written and said.

This is proof how easily things can be over looked and changed in just one discussion and one interpretation so just imagine how much things could have been over looked, changed, misconstrued, and/or taken and of context, and then translated and/or misinterpreted when being passed on and on for centuries and more.

Like Lacewing, I am done too. Thanks. I cannot argue with you if you believe Oneness is controlling evolution.

How many times do I have to tell sth, "I neither believe nor disbelieve anything?"

I do not recall ever saying Oneness controls evolution, but rather I have said something similar to Oneness, It Self, is evolving, e.g., Oneness is creating It's Self, how we, human beings, see it NOW through an evolutionary-creative process.

Also, all I have done here is just shown what the REAL quote should have been, in respect of what I TRULY stated, and not the incorrect quote that was portrayed, which you originally replied to. If what I had actually wrote was portrayed, fully and correctly, then obviously sth would not have replied with what sth did.

ken wrote:HOWEVER, if abuse if left to continue, then that species causing the abuse could and will most likely then be wiped out, which to Oneness is of no great loss really, but, by nature, if Oneness brings or allows a species to come into existence, then It would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. A truly intelligent species, which can learn, understand and reason any and every thing, may in fact come in handy for Oneness, It Self, to actually learn about It's Self.

You said, " If Ones brings or allows a species to come into existence, then it would mostly try to keep that and every species alive."
This means that Oneness dictates what comes into existence. That is controlling evolution. And I cannot argue with anyone who makes such claims because it simply reflects a very poor understanding of evolution.

You continued with, "if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. "
This implies that there is a reason why Oneness does things and you somehow know it. You cannot prove that there is Oneness. You cannot show how you know what it wants. Nothing in nature suggests that it is striving towards peace and harmony. These are your beliefs which you refuse to even acknowledge.

You also said "A truly intelligent species, which can learn, understand and reason any and every thing, may in fact come in handy for Oneness, It Self, to actually learn about It's Self."

This seems to suggest that you actually claim to know that Oneness created the universe and you know the reason why it did so. No one can argue with that as you simply cannot give any proof of it. Also you seem to ignore the fact that nature works in the exact opposite way. There is no striving towards peace and harmony in nature. Nature is intrinsically violent and that is a fact.

Considering that you seem to be convinced of your theory and refuse to acknowledge facts that stare you in the face, there is nothing to argue about. That is why I am done. I simply cannot argue with anyone who claims to understand that he knows who created the universe and why, specially when the who is a Oneness for which you have no proof and the why contradicts reality.

Greta wrote:

ken wrote:I could have clarified better before. Depending on how we want to specifically define 'greed', it could be argued that, human beings are the only animal that is greedy. Or,
all animals are greedy. Or,
every species of any thing is greedy, not just animals.

I go for "wanting more than you need at the expense of those who are more in need". Just an unchecked natural urge towards growth.

I go for, 'wanting more than you need'.

I do not see any one needing more than another.

I think ALL human beings have the same needs.

Greta wrote: FOR THOSE WHO MAY FEEL INCLINED TO BELIEVE THE UNBALANCED AND MISGUIDED CLAIMS ON THIS THREAD:

This thread is a sacred thread. It denotes the truth is always here now in the silent space between all mental activity. No thing lives in this space, yet is that in which all ..(mentally constructed) things appear. Mental activity arises by itself and cannot be avoided,if you believe it can be avoided then just try to stop your thoughts, feelings, emotions, from coming to the surface of this otherwise sacred space of pure being.

Greta wrote:The above responses from DAM make clear that "stopping the mental chatter" is no panacea. It demonstrably does not prevent:

1) passive aggression and toxicity

2) emotional fragility and instability

3) manipulativeness and dirty play.

So it's fair to say we have found an example demonstrating how quieting your mind does NOTHING for emotional welfare or morality.

You see the point you are missing Greta is that ..the OP is not about the sacred silence space having no effect on the human psyche. Simply because the sacred silent space doesn't do anything. It is the perfect truth that lies behind all confusion and misery watching on in detachment.
No person stops the mental chatter you idiot. That is the point you don't understand, you think someone has to stop their mental chatter, but like I've just explained, no one can do that...the mind doesn't belong to a someone, a someone is the mind,what arises from the sacred silence is just what's happening to no one since no one lives in the scared silence.

I don't expect you to grasp this with your phoney educated mind. The one who knows the truth is the real education and the only education worth having ...and that is what the OP is all about.

Meltdowns happen, passive aggression and toxicity... emotional fragility and instability...manipulativeness and dirty play....all this happens, They're just ideas arising and falling away in empty silent sacred space, there is no one doing this, it's mental phenomena with no actual substance to it whatsoever....The sacred space of beingness/awareness is never defiled or effected in any shape or form by what appears and disappears in it. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE OP....there's simply what's arising and falling for NO ONE....

The problem with you Greta, is you are identified with the person you believe to be inside your head, whereas Dam knows there is nothing in there but a set of ideas and thoughts...identification with those thoughts as belonging to a person whereby there is a person having the experience is the suffering...but the truth in the OP is saying there is no one actually suffering here at all except the one who is identified ...The sacred space is non-identified pure awareness where there''s just raw experiences arising and falling. No person is having these experiences, a person is the experience as it arises and falls within this obvious non-local non-identified sacred space. This space is the real SELF....IS IS NOT AN EXPERIENCE.. it is that in which every experience arises and falls.

Within this space an assumed self arises as an experience, that self does not exist, it's an illusion...it is a mentally constructed self by the mind itself which is essentially space. The real self aka silent space... has never been born.

The mis-identification with what's happening to nobody is the root of all un-necessary suffering, and those who are self identified will tend to sling mud at what is sacred, dissuade and degrade it, and be in conflict, because they are mis-identified ...they are coming from the wrong Self.

This is my education that I've spent years teaching myself, it's the only real and worthy education that has any lasting value. It's sacred knowledge. And the experience responsible for appearing as and through the body mind mechanism known as Dam worked this out for itself. Dam didn't do any of it. It just happened to Dam that's all, in the same way things just happen to life in general, in the same way it's raining is just happening, or the grass is just growing, no one is making this happen.

Greta wrote:There is also a danger of falling into a disconnected form of sanctimony, and it's not uncommon to find somewhat people retreating into their own world and constructing empowered fanatasies about their "spiritual prowess" (before melting down at the first sign of stress). I used to see the type in mediation and yoga classes, not so much now as the Indian guru fad has thankfully faded somewhat.

The moral of this story is that thinking is GOD for you but, as with everything, it can be overdone.

You are so unbelievably ignorant of what real truth is and is why I cannot relate you at the moment.
Jesus was quoted as saying ...''I am in the world ..but not of it''...please don't take this sacred truth out of context...it's the very essence of the truth of life.... there is no where to retreat, you are we are I am already perfect and whole right here and now.

Greta is identifying with the wrong I...stress happens but not to I....do you not get this???

Greta wrote: Whatever, you've blown it. Who's going to listen to your life advice now that you've shown yourself to be so emotionally fragile?

This sacred space SELF....cannot appear to have blown it, this is just an idea.... it dreams up. The dreamer, space in which all dreams appear is never effected by what it dreams for one very good reason... dreams are empty of substance. Dreams are illusion appearing in that which is real.

If you know the wheel of life there are 3 realms (desire realm, the form realm, and the formless realm). Dam is in the formless realm end of relating to life. Not focusing on externals as a source of happiness, not of bodily pleasures, but residing the inner pure disembodied tranquillity of true self.

The other part of myself, the dreamt character.. is just noise and fury signifying nothing, as it's appearing, it happens, no big deal, this does not reject anything, for how could it, who would do that?.... how can life stop happening?

Hope you get the general gist of my thread...hope this is as clear as mud for you.

DAM, your consistent ad hominems saying nothing about me - they are merely a continuation of your meltdown.

You need to get your own house in order before trying to tell others how to do so.

Nick_A wrote:Ken wrote:

But finding the reasons WHY all of us adults do wrong provides the solution, and thus is also the prevention, for wrong ever happening again.

Adults may want to believe they are not doing 'it', wrong, but adults are the only one's doing wrong. There is nothing at all that makes adults do wrong, they just choose to it. But within the reason WHY they all do wrong lays the answer and solution, to this problem.

Once adults are truly honest with themselves then prevention can and WILL take place. Prevention is, after all, better than a cure.

Do you believe Man is as described by Socrates and the Bible?

I have said it before and I will say it again, I neither believe or disbelieve anything.

Nick_A wrote:The outer man is the learned personality that surrounds the inner man which is what we are born with.

I have not heard that description before but yes that is another way of describing what I see.

I just describe the 'outer man' as the little self, i.e., the one that thinks it knows who we are, whereas, the 'inner man' I describe as the big or true Self, i.e., the One that knows ALL, including who we really are.

Nick_A wrote: If so do you agree with me that society affects the outer man while the essence of religion is directed towards the inner man.

Yes I agree that 'society', the environment, on almost all accounts affects the 'outer human', while it could be argued that the essence of religion is directed towards the 'inner human', I would suggest that the essence of religion comes solely from the 'inner human' and is directed towards the 'outer human' to counter affect the wrong that is coming in from the environment, which is affecting/creating the 'outer human'.

Therefore, generally speaking I could agree somewhat with you wrote, but to agree wholeheartedly, definitions of the main words would need to be clarified with each other first, and the "tweaking" of the language and what actually does happen would need to be delved into and explored further before consensus could and would be reached completely.

Nick_A wrote: Right and wrong can affect the outer man differently than the inner man.

The 'inner human', the true Self, can not be affected by anything. This Self is not any different than what religions are actually pointing to as the One.

What is perceived to be right and wrong certainly can and does affect every 'outer' person, just look at how much confusion surrounds what will be found to be is so obvious and already known. But the affect that this confusion has created so much so that some people even now believe that there is no right and wrong at all.

The inner One is not affected at all by this. The inner collective One knows what is right and wrong instantly, always has and always will.

Nick_A wrote:Is it possible that a society could be built on the outer man reflecting the inner man like the bodies of the lilies reflect their essence?

I am not sure about bodies of the lilies, but I guess it could be seen like that, in that society could easily be a truly loving and peaceful place to live in harmony together with one another if the 'outer human' just listened to and followed the 'inner human', instead of just following 'outer humans' and the previous society.

Nick_A wrote: What would it be like for the inner man if it ever were to grow up and not remain a slave to its acquired personality?

The true Self, the inner human, does never "grow up" and is never a slave as such. It, or I, have always been. But, through human beings, I am be-com-ing more and more actualized. The true Self, although Self-Aware, is becoming more of the true Self, in Awareness, the more the 'outer humans' actually start listening, and thus seeing and knowing. The 'outer self, which only thinks', is the acquired or created personality. The 'inner Self', which only knows, is independent in this way of any human being, but is also One with every thing.

The answer for what would it be like for the inner true Self, is un-covered when the 'outer self' can let go completely, and then can correctly answer the question Who am 'I'? If and when the 'outer human' wants to change them self, for the better, and do that in a truly open and honest way, then they uncover and discover who the true Self is, and then it will be found and fully realized that that Self has been with-in the 'outer self' all the time.

What it will actually be like can and will soon be Self-discovered, and thus can and will be shortly answered by 'you'.

Nick_A wrote:

Socrates — 'Give me beauty in the inward soul; may the outward and the inward man be at one.'

If and when human beings or the 'outer human' one is listening to and doing just like the 'inner (collective) One' would do, then "the outward and the inward (hu)man be at one", and then ALL is revealed.

Nick_A wrote:Matthew 6: 28 “So why do you worry about clothing?

This means so why do you worry about, the 'i', (the thoughts) or the 'outer' one. This i is clothing or covering the 'I' (True Self) or the 'inner' One. The i is of no real importance in the scheme of things. This i comes into being and passes away in a relatively very short period of time, so why worry about 'you', the 'i', because when you are actually worrying about you only you are covering up the real and true I. To un-cover and dis-cover "your" real Self you need to stop covering up the true One.

You need to let go of "your" pretend self to find "your" real and true Self.

Nick_A wrote:Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

This means that the 'inner' One never toil or strive or force or do anything other than just flow simply, easily and naturally. Even the money wealthiest of kings and queens or actors and actresses or sports people and the fame that comes from that is not even anyway even close to the experience of being one with Thee inner One.

Nick_A wrote:2 Corinthians 4:16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.

Letting go of the outward self allows the inward Self to reveal Thy True Self.

Greta wrote:DAM, your consistent ad hominems saying nothing about me - they are merely a continuation of your meltdown.

You need to get your own house in order before trying to tell others how to do so.

I've already tidied up my cage thank you very much, but thanks for the advice that I will not have to take.

No human can live a perfect and pure life. Because there is no human living life, life is not human, human is an idea...get it?

I do not reject the ugly and unwanted parts of myself, allowing this part of self and forgiving it unconditionally is how one stays in the nondual reality of truth.. where every demon is just a passing visitor...I've already explained this, and it's about knowing what is real and not real, it's about seeing through the illusions. Dam loves every aspect of itself....because it comes from a space of unconditional...

Love is a filthy word..it implies two ...U.G. Krishnamurti ...look him up for some hardcore truths.

So keep slinging the mud at this one if that is what makes you feel better... you are not going to feel better until you forgive the mud, and embrace the pristine boundless space in which is it seen ....your transgressions are your own, forgive them, and you forgive everything, if you can't forgive yourself, how are you going to forgive others....so you are your own problem not mine.

Wait for the echo

Seriously, go and learn some proper education. Learn some metaphysical esoteric not of this world real education...and stop bugging the phantoms.

Bill Wiltrack wrote:The internet is a framework of information & communication. That's why people use the internet

It's one thing to log on and search the inner net /aka universal mind for information about oneself. But to argue with yourself is just plain daft. But what else is there to do for this ONE ..but to argue with itself?

The thing is, it won't get you anywhere where your not already at. This ONE doesn't want anything. WANTING is a form of mental torture. I want it I want it I want it...I don't want it I don't want it I don't want it.

It's like a broken record.

See through the game and all that's left to do is LAUGH OUT LOUD..and eat junk food...especially white chocolate and mint-choc ice cream.



Bye the way, am I being racist when I say white chocolate?

While your true self looks on in detachment laughing it's arse off in hysterics.