The Creatororientation

[thedoc]

I got kicked out of a physics forum for claiming that an observation is an act of cognition, doc, but I'm on very safe ground in a philosophy forum. No philosopher worthy of the name would make such a basic error as to confuse Noumenal with Phenomenal reality.

Ivory tower philosophy, think your way to the truth, complete bullocks.

[manden]

The mankind made and makes nonsense

Presumably you don't define your own bullshit as nonsense so obviously you are not of the mankind. What species of being are you?

I was able to make free from the shit of the mankind - that is the difference ! You all are incredibly far from !

[Obvious Leo]

I was able to make free from the shit of the mankind

How did you manage to achieve this remarkable feat?

[Hobbes' Choice]

The mankind made and makes nonsense

Presumably you don't define your own bullshit as nonsense so obviously you are not of the mankind. What species of being are you?

I was able to make free from the shit of the mankind - that is the difference ! You all are incredibly far from !

Out of the shit into the sewer, where it is dark.

[manden]

I was able to make free from the shit of the mankind

How did you manage to achieve this remarkable feat?

Hard work , till now 11 years .

[Hobbes' Choice]

I was able to make free from the shit of the mankind

How did you manage to achieve this remarkable feat?

Hard work , till now 11 years .

You'd have done better to work on your grammar skills.

[Gary Childress]

logic means that all has a cause ! Grasp it or let it . In a kindergarten they understand more !

Hi Manden,

If all (meaning everything) has a cause then God must also have a cause. If God does not have a cause, then everything does not have a cause. My question is, which of the following do you believe?

1. Everything has a cause.
or
2. At least one thing (God) does not have a cause.

[manden]

All has a cause is human logic . About an unimaginable superior logic ( that of the creator) we can say nothing !

[thedoc]

Vibrations in the air are not sound, just as molecules in the air are not smells. It requires an observer with an information processing network before such raw data can be said to have a meaning. This is not only mainstream philosophy but it is also mainstream neuroscience.

By your definition vibrations in the air require someone to perceive them to be a sound, by that definition we can extend that to say that only the vibrations that impinge on an ear are a sound and all the other vibrations that travel off in other directions are not sounds even though they all have the same source.

[Gary Childress]

All has a cause is human logic . About an unimaginable superior logic ( that of the creator) we can say nothing !

But you are presupposing that there is a God and that there is a "superior logic". How do you know that there is a God and that there is "superior logic"?

If you wish to say that "all has a cause", then God must also have a cause. If you wish to say that God does not have a cause then you must believe that at least one (God) does not have a cause.

[thedoc]

All has a cause is human logic . About an unimaginable superior logic ( that of the creator) we can say nothing !

There is no reason to expect that God or the Universe will conform to human logic.

[thedoc]

All has a cause is human logic . About an unimaginable superior logic ( that of the creator) we can say nothing !

It might be possible to assert that God's logic is different than human logic, but there is no evidence that it is superior.

[manden]

All has a cause is human logic . About an unimaginable superior logic ( that of the creator) we can say nothing !

But you are presupposing that there is a God and that there is a "superior logic". How do you know that there is a God and that there is "superior logic"?

If you wish to say that "all has a cause", then God must also have a cause. If you wish to say that God does not have a cause then you must believe that at least one (God) does not have a cause.

I have recognized the existence of the real creator of the universe at his creation .

[manden]

All has a cause is human logic . About an unimaginable superior logic ( that of the creator) we can say nothing !

It might be possible to assert that God's logic is different than human logic, but there is no evidence that it is superior.

Think about it ! You also have a brain .

[Gary Childress]

All has a cause is human logic . About an unimaginable superior logic ( that of the creator) we can say nothing !

But you are presupposing that there is a God and that there is a "superior logic". How do you know that there is a God and that there is "superior logic"?

If you wish to say that "all has a cause", then God must also have a cause. If you wish to say that God does not have a cause then you must believe that at least one (God) does not have a cause.

I have recognized the existence of the real creator of the universe at his creation .

How do you recognize the real creator of the universe at his creation? My understanding is that you believe there is a God because you think "all must have a cause". But you actually don't believe all must have a cause. You believe that at least one (God) does not have a cause. If God does not have a cause, then it must NOT be the case that "all has a cause". You've invalidated your own reason for believing in God.