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Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:40 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:So to recap: philosophy, correctly practiced, makes us happy, wholesome, and fearless.
There is no such thing as "correctly practiced".
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:46 am
by Jaded Sage
Yeah, it's kinda figurative. It's more like optimumly practiced or most productively practiced or most practically practiced. I'm calling it the correct way because it yields the best results and is therefore the best way.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:57 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:Yeah, it's kinda figurative. It's more like optimumly practiced or most productively practiced or most practically practiced. I'm calling it the correct way because it yields the best results and is therefore the best way.
Philosophy is about finding question. You seem to imply that it is about building answers and fashioning the truth.
Philosophy is more about finding what is at stake and revealing the implications of the different answers you can find, not following a path.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:01 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
Hobbes' Choice wrote:Jaded Sage wrote:Yeah, it's kinda figurative. It's more like optimumly practiced or most productively practiced or most practically practiced. I'm calling it the correct way because it yields the best results and is therefore the best way.
Philosophy is about finding question. You seem to imply that it is about building answers and fashioning the truth.
Philosophy is more about finding what is at stake and revealing the implications of the different answers you can find, not following a path.
God you are ignorant!
Philosophy is the study of the general and fundamental nature of
reality, existence,
knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. The Ancient Greek word φιλοσοφία (philosophia) was probably coined by Pythagoras and literally means "love of
wisdom" or "friend of
wisdom".
Wisdom is the ability to think and act using
knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight.
Knowledge is a familiarity, awareness or understanding of someone or something, such as
facts, information, descriptions, or skills, which is acquired through experience or education by perceiving, discovering, or learning.
A
fact is something that
has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is, whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience. Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable careful observation or measurement (by experiments or other means).
Truth is most often used to mean being in accord with
fact or
reality, or fidelity to an original or to a standard or ideal. Truth may also often be used in modern contexts to refer to an idea of "truth to self," or authenticity.
All the above quotes compliments wikipedia
Connect the dots ignoramus! I made it easy for you, complete with pretty colors!
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:59 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:Jaded Sage wrote:Yeah, it's kinda figurative. It's more like optimumly practiced or most productively practiced or most practically practiced. I'm calling it the correct way because it yields the best results and is therefore the best way.
Philosophy is about finding question. You seem to imply that it is about building answers and fashioning the truth.
Philosophy is more about finding what is at stake and revealing the implications of the different answers you can find, not following a path.
God you are
Yes. more godlike than you. Thanks for the compliment.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:17 am
by Jaded Sage
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HC: Yeah, I'm deliberately altering the definition. Mine includes the current standard one. I'm thinking about writing a myth about how the word was stolen by Pharisee-like scholars who totally perverted it from its true, pure and proud origin.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:51 am
by Jaded Sage
duszek wrote:The first premise "all philosophy is God" is not a sure one.
Jady expressed the lack of certainty by putting the premise in an if-clause:
If all philosophy is God, ...
The syllogisms collapse if one of the premises is not true.
A syllogism is a highly speculative one if one of the premises is mere speculation itself.
Just saw this now. I'm not expressing lack of certainty. In fact, I'm stating a conditional certainty.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:04 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:image.jpg
HC: Yeah, I'm deliberately altering the definition. Mine includes the current standard one. I'm thinking about writing a myth about how the word was stolen by Pharisee-like scholars who totally perverted it from its true, pure and proud origin.
This is interesting but fundamentally a misconstrued understanding of language.
Language has no eternally meaning-fixed words.
Dictionaries used to attempt to do that, but the very words they used to describe other words change in useage, and these days dictionaries more wisely try to reflect the changing meanings of words.
Recently "literally" has accepted the change to it more common use "figuratively". Such changes can literally make people's blood boil!!!
There are no true, pure and proud origins. Plato was, and remains wrong.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:20 pm
by Walker
Hobbes’ Choice wrote:Recently "literally" has accepted the change to it more common use "figuratively".
Walker wrote:Duality ends at non-duality. So does mind end when duality ends. So does existence end when duality ends. Literally.
I meant literally.
Existence as a human requires awareness that differentiates existence from chaos.
It’s much like when a tree falls in the forest. There is only chaos without an apparatus such as a human ear to receive the vibrations, and a mind to register the vibrations.
When the mind doesn't even receive chaos, no existence.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:31 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Walker wrote:Hobbes’ Choice wrote:Recently "literally" has accepted the change to it more common use "figuratively".
Walker wrote:Duality ends at non-duality. So does mind end when duality ends. So does existence end when duality ends. Literally.
I meant literally.
Existence as a human requires awareness that differentiates existence from chaos.
It’s much like when a tree falls in the forest. There is only chaos without an apparatus such as a human ear to receive the vibrations, and a mind to register the vibrations.
When the mind doesn't even receive chaos, no existence.
This sort of misunderstanding is one of the big examples how people who hate philosophy attack it.
It does not matter if you were not there to witness it. Your parents existed before you, and so did the tree they conceived you under. and long before there were any humans to witness the formation of the solar system, that too existed.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:37 pm
by Walker
Hobbes' Choice wrote:Walker wrote:Hobbes’ Choice wrote:Recently "literally" has accepted the change to it more common use "figuratively".
Walker wrote:Duality ends at non-duality. So does mind end when duality ends. So does existence end when duality ends. Literally.
I meant literally.
Existence as a human requires awareness that differentiates existence from chaos.
It’s much like when a tree falls in the forest. There is only chaos without an apparatus such as a human ear to receive the vibrations, and a mind to register the vibrations.
When the mind doesn't even receive chaos, no existence.
This sort of misunderstanding is one of the big examples how people who hate philosophy attack it.
It does not matter if you were not there to witness it. Your parents existed before you, and so did the tree they conceived you under. and long before there were any humans to witness the formation of the solar system, that too existed.
The first sentence you wrote is an unsubstantiated assertion.
The rest of what you wrote is merely an uncertain inference of high probability.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:07 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Walker wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:Walker wrote:
I meant literally.
Existence as a human requires awareness that differentiates existence from chaos.
It’s much like when a tree falls in the forest. There is only chaos without an apparatus such as a human ear to receive the vibrations, and a mind to register the vibrations.
When the mind doesn't even receive chaos, no existence.
This sort of misunderstanding is one of the big examples how people who hate philosophy attack it.
It does not matter if you were not there to witness it. Your parents existed before you, and so did the tree they conceived you under. and long before there were any humans to witness the formation of the solar system, that too existed.
The first sentence you wrote is an unsubstantiated assertion.
The rest of what you wrote is merely an uncertain inference of high probability.
The first is a thing I have seen again and again. If you had been on this Forum a while you'd have seen it too. I'm not too bothered whether you've believe it; but since you did not make up the "tree in the forest" thought experiment, you certainly have seen it before.
The second sentence is as close to a fact as it is possible to get. The world did not begin with your birth from nothing.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:56 pm
by Walker
Hobbes' Choice wrote:The second sentence is as close to a fact as it is possible to get. The world did not begin with your birth from nothing.
You speak of the past.
At this moment the stars may exist, maybe not.
When you leave the shelter of roof and walls, maybe the world you know will still exist, maybe not.
After your next exhalation, you will inhale. Maybe not.
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Getting even closer ...
I speak of the past.
At this moment the stars may exist, maybe not.
When I leave the shelter of roof and walls, maybe the world I know will still exist, maybe not.
After my next exhalation, I will inhale. Maybe not.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:05 pm
by Jaded Sage
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Recently "literally" has accepted the change to it more common use "figuratively". Such changes can literally make people's blood boil!!!
There are no true, pure and proud origins. Plato was, and remains wrong.
Nah, man. This is actually a really great counter-example showing that convention doesn't decide the meaning of a word, no matter how many people misuse it. You did say they haven't added that misuse to any major dictionary yet, right?
Anything can happen in a myth. But as we all know, I don't need a myth, because Plato.
Re: What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:07 am
by Jaded Sage
So here's the deal: philosophy involves self-cultivation. Self-Cultivation makes us happier, life easier, and the world a better place. Here is a visual repesentation of self-cultivation:
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