seeds wrote:
...unfortunately, at this point in time in what I and many others believe is just a short prelude to the impending and seemingly unavoidable collapse of the economy and social order, I don’t think it matters that much who becomes president.
Dubious wrote:
The logic of this is already understood by many. No matter who becomes president, events will resolve to the same conclusion. There really is no other way to settle the score of what amounts to some of the worst fraud, corruption and mismanagement in history. The ledger will balance in the end. The question is how, when and what will be its consequences this being the most frightening to think about.
Yes, it is frightening to think about.
However, because I am old and have experienced a good long life, I am mostly frightened for the younger generations who must suffer the consequences of, as you stated “...some of the worst fraud, corruption and mismanagement in history...”
The depth of the ignorance that has brought us to this stage is hard to fathom.
seeds wrote:
In which case (and sadly speaking), because America seems to be morphing into a caricature of its own greed and narcissism, then what better person is there to represent this awful caricature than Donald Trump?
Dubious wrote:
Prior to any simple minded acceptance, this statement requires more analysis. Is Hillary Clinton by any criteria excluded from this assessment since only Trump is mentioned?
No, Clinton is not excluded, for in her own way she is every bit as scary as Trump.
Wherein Trump would no doubt “stumblebum” us into destruction in ways we cannot foresee, Hillary, on the other hand, will simply “stay the course” on the path to destruction already laid-out for us.
There’s no question about the fact that we are all in serious trouble no matter which one of the two candidates takes office.
However, as I stated earlier, if it is inevitable that the ship is going down anyway, regardless of who is at the helm, then I guess it is just a simple matter of “dignity” that the last captain (in a long series of captains) of what was once a great experiment in freedom and democracy, not be a total and embarrassing clown...
...a “child in a man’s body” as stated by Sam Harris.
(Have a listen to Harris’ amusing dismantling of Trump here
https://youtu.be/c1C8234kMkc, and here along with Andrew Sullivan
https://youtu.be/z0nwS6VeAWc).
Dubious wrote:
Why has the latter become so popular among the electorate...and not because they like him? Without the least diplomacy or finesse, succumbing often to near vulgarity he makes plain his intention to destroy the establishment which literally destroyed the well being of many more Americans than are counted in the stats. This is how he's perceived by many rightly or wrongly which ironically is opposite to your representation.
A justifiable desperation to want to change the status quo of the broken American political system is no excuse for the even greater damage that could ensue by electing a Mussolini-ish dictator into office.
It’s as if a significantly large and clueless segment of the population are completely oblivious of the fact that they are blindly following an extremely dangerous script from a horrific era of 20th century Europe.
seeds wrote:
...we are in essence witnessing the slow but inevitable workings of karma as the U.S. is about to reap the returns of that which it has been sowing around the world over the last six or so decades.
Dubious wrote:
You make this out as some desired retribution on the iniquity of an evil empire not mentioning others that are also out there ready to fill power vacuums. If their agency in the West recedes ending in a whimper due to the karmic weight of their own past actions who is there to replace them? Most likely something much more inimical and foreign.
When I recall what was happening in Viet Nam during my university years back in the late 60s, I can’t even begin to imagine how many innocent men, women, and children we slaughtered in our indiscriminate “carpet bombing” of Cambodia, or from using napalm and agent orange, or how many undocumented massacres similar to
My lai probably took place...
Wiki wrote:
The Mỹ Lai Massacre was the Vietnam War mass killing of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968. It was committed by U.S. Army soldiers from the Company C of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated.
And that is just one little example of an incalculable number of horrors we rained-down on other humans in just a few short years back in the 60s, early 70s. Furthermore, this post would be far too long if I were to list the atrocities we’ve perpetrated in the Middle East in the years since Viet Nam.
And I won’t even broach the karmic imbalance of how a country that represents five percent of the world’s population, uses a percentage of the world’s resources that is vastly and immorally beyond its fair share.
The point is that it doesn’t matter who or what may be lying out there ready to fill the vacuum left by a fallen America, I’m afraid that the well-earned karmic payback for our sins is coming to get us, one way or another.
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