Why are some people filled with mindless hatred?

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Re: Why are some people filled with mindless hatred?

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Are you aware that you said apparently inconsistent things?

There is more to people's lives than what they make of them. Genetics, for one, can be completely unfair.
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Jaded Sage wrote:Are you aware that you said apparently inconsistent things?

There is more to people's lives than what they make of them. Genetics, for one, can be completely unfair.
No I didn't, that's life you're talking about, and I said that life can be both fair and unfair.

I spoke of peoples lives being made in the context of people being fair with people, not life being fair to people.

You've apparently confused the two separate things I've outlined. I spoke of both, nature not including other humans as it affects humans, and humans affecting humans. Where the making of ones life affects how we relate to other humans, not the rest of nature, such as genetics.

Is that clearer, or do you require further delineation?
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It sounds like you are saying life is fair in its unfairness. I'm somewhat inclined to agree. But it can take a while for that to sink in. Also I wholeheartedly disagree that the problem we're discussing does not arise from frustration with both the unfairness of humans and the unfairness of nature. I think most people do not make the distinction, not when it comes to being pissed off about it.
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Jaded Sage wrote:It sounds like you are saying life is fair in its unfairness.
Well certainly everyone experiences the universes fairness and unfairness. Different people may not experience the same things, but no one leaves this life unscathed in one way or another.

I'm somewhat inclined to agree. But it can take a while for that to sink in. Also I wholeheartedly disagree that the problem we're discussing does not arise from frustration with both the unfairness of humans and the unfairness of nature. I think most people do not make the distinction, not when it comes to being pissed off about it.
I hear you, but I'm just saying that as to the universes unfairness, it's not mindful of such things, it's blows are not perpetrated mindfully, so I take them with a grain of salt, though to be honest that's easy for me to say, because I've been pretty lucky when it comes to that which the universe could have thrust upon me. It has been mostly fair with me, though I was born pigeoned toed, and required braces as an infant, and have a TMJ, another bone thing, which is a slightly disproportionate lower mandible, such that I have a cross and overbite. Other than that though, Ive been relatively lucky.

People on the other hand, have a choice. They can 'make' their individual lives, to either be unfair to others, or be fair with others. They are mindful of such things, all they have to do is reflect upon what they're found unfair that others have done to them, so as to not do the same to others, so it's easy to hate them for unfair things they've done to you and others, because they've chosen to do it, in spite of what they'd rather not have done to them. I mean that kinda makes a little sense. But the realization that some aren't as familiar with free will, rather more a victim of determinism, (not very good thinkers, lacking a good sense of reason), one can make allowances for their ineptitude, at least to a certain degree. Though I'm not saying that it's a good thing to not make them aware of their unfairness, rather to instead quell ones hate with understanding, as you unleash the fire of rational thought on the matter at hand, on those seemingly devoid of free will, seemingly bound by their determinism!

So hate can be eliminated through understanding the nature of human on human unfairness, and seeding your rational thought of fairness, in the minds of those seemingly oblivious.
Or so that surely seems the solution to me! To turn ones hate into effective change.
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Understanding through reflection is the solution to the problem of mindless hatred caused by unfairness in the world. I, sir, do believe we have solved the problem.
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Re: Why are some people filled with mindless hatred?

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Jaded Sage wrote:Understanding through reflection is the solution to the problem of mindless hatred caused by unfairness in the world. I, sir, do believe we have solved the problem.
At least that's the way I see it, such that I say I hate no one, as it's far too strong a word considering the actual truth of the matter.

Later, my friend! ;)
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