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Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:19 pm
by homegrown
you will...
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:21 pm
by The Voice of Time
homegrown wrote:You close your mind at such an age - you'll never become a philosopher!
To not agree with you
homegrown, is, for the last time, not a fuckings crime! It doesn't make me less open minded. I simply see things you choose to ignore, and therefore, however many times I read the same shit which you write over and over again like some kind of maniac it doesn't make me agree with you more because each time the same problems don't just disappear because you try to cover them in a mountain of repetition.
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:27 pm
by homegrown
child: waah!
okay then, in your mature opinion, comment upon:
In evolution - either the organism is correct to reality else rendered extinct.
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:34 pm
by The Voice of Time
homegrown wrote:Try wrap your head around this. In evolution - either the organism is correct to reality else rendered extinct. If humankind doesn't accept that acting on the basis of valid knowledge is necessary, we will suffer and die out. And we should - because we are wrong. Were there a God in Heaven, I could not in good conscience plead that we should be excused from the cause and effect dynamics of evolution, that by countless extinctions have moulded us from a mountain of disregarded designs. All that's necessary to cosmic justice is that the information is available, and I cannot say it more clearly than this: accept a scientific understanding of reality in common, and on the basis of what's true - do what's necessary to survive. If you can't understand that then there's something profoundly wrong with you - and sorry, but you've got to go.
You are forgetting that your entire perception of the state of humankind is wrong! Humankind has lots of problems to deal with, but they are problems it
can solve on its
current course. Unless you want to tell me why people need a world government to make a solar panel or manufacture liquid hydrogen fuel, things which it is already perfectly capable of doing on its own ^^
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:35 pm
by The Voice of Time
homegrown wrote:child: waah!
okay then, in your mature opinion, comment upon:
In evolution - either the organism is correct to reality else rendered extinct.
who is the most childish here? Me or the guy who is starting to wage war on my persona?
My answer to your question is that human kind has many times been wrong, and has still survived. I'm sorry, but your absolute "yes" answer would be historically incorrect, although, indeed, that is the tendency, that we increase our chances of surviving when, to rephrase you (because there is no such thing as "correct to reality", science is always climbing the mountain) our understandings of the world is drawn from the study of the causality of nature.
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:37 pm
by homegrown
hey dude - you asked 'what category of person does that make me memememememememememem! Egositic child!
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:43 pm
by The Voice of Time
homegrown wrote:hey dude - you asked 'what category of person does that make me memememememememememem! Egositic child!
And you choose the way you answer questions. And I have to ask you to consider how mature it is to answer with "
me memememememememememem! Egositic child!"
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:48 pm
by homegrown
just when i thought we were talking -
Your position seems to be that - there's a survival advantage to acting upon valid knowledge, but it's not necessary. Is that fair?
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:51 pm
by The Voice of Time
homegrown wrote:just when i thought we were talking -
Your position seems to be that - there's a survival advantage to acting upon valid knowledge, but it's not necessary. Is that fair?
My positions seems to be: we should try to survive, and we should try together. But your solutions to the problem, for instance your desire to treat human beings as that their identities does not matter, or their opinions does not matter, is morally wrong. If you want to simply (and ignore some aspects of) our disagreement, then that's basically our disagreement in a nutshell.
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:55 pm
by homegrown
those opinions and identities forged in relation to ideological misconceptions of reality are the problem - the reason humankind is going to become extinct. Like I said, it requires the self-sacrifice of looking beyond yourself - to a scientific understanding of reality.
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:03 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
The Voice of Time wrote:who is the most childish here? Me or the guy who is starting to wage war on my persona?
In the heat of battle, it's hard to think and choose weapons effectively, I see that it is not you, but rather that which you have bought into, due to differentiated knowledge. Which ultimately, is what each of you are trying to reach, within the other.
You are incorrect as to our course, as it's been bad from the beginning, it's time for a change, when shall humanity grow up, weapons/money (same thing) are not the answer, but science is.
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:07 pm
by homegrown
SOB: I said something similar in epistemology.
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:11 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
homegrown wrote:hey dude - you asked 'what category of person does that make me memememememememememem! Egositic child!
To be truly effective, you should rid yourself of this type of weapon, especially as the only means in any particular volley, as it achieves the opposite of your intent.
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:14 pm
by The Voice of Time
SpheresOfBalance wrote:but rather that which you have bought into, due to differentiated knowledge.
please explain, I did not understand that.
Re: Hi. Wow...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:20 pm
by homegrown
I wish I could be as gentle and forgiving a soul as you SOB. Thing is, I'm right but consequently, exacting!