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Re: Christianity

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:42 pm
by promethean75
Wir brauchen natürlich einen kontext.

Re: Christianity

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:06 pm
by phyllo
You will have to understand that I reject Progressivism and Egalitarianism to the degree that they become tools of a Marxian subversion.
Egalitarianism (from French égal 'equal'), or equalitarianism,[1][2] is a school of thought within political philosophy that builds on the concept of social equality, prioritizing it for all people.[3] Egalitarian doctrines are generally characterized by the idea that all humans are equal in fundamental worth or moral status.[4] Egalitarianism is the doctrine that all citizens of a state should be accorded exactly equal rights.[5] Egalitarian doctrines have motivated many modern social movements and ideas, including the Enlightenment, feminism, civil rights, and international human rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

Which part of egalitarianism do you reject?

Re: Christianity

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:51 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
phyllo wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:06 pm Which part of egalitarianism do you reject?
When the State, and other state-associated entities, become governmental agents for an imposition of egalitarian policy. Especially when under an aegis of Marxist ideology. As we can easily note in Europe and America today.

You get one question. Don’t ask others. Talk about your own ideas on this topic.

Don’t piss me off. I’ll sic Harbal on you. He’s ferocious.

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:23 am
by Dubious
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:30 pm
Dubious wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:26 am It was Ibsen I mostly concentrated on.
What are your favorite or in any case recommended plays? I have a good volume of Ibsen but have not read any.
Well, to each his own, but I especially liked An Enemy of the People, Ghosts, A Doll's House, Hedda Gabler. I haven't yet read Peer Gynt. These are all plays with a lot of tension having to do with societal norms which to some extent still persist. If you decide to read one of his plays, Ghosts, one of his most controversial, regarding incest and venereal disease and also shorter than most is a good place to begin.

Anyways, it would be unfair to croak without ever having read Chekov. But especially I wish I could read Pushkin in Russian more than any other Russian novelist or playwright.

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:03 am
by Dubious
henry quirk wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:00 pm Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension.
...as compared to humans who claim morality while actually conforming to so little of it. Ever think why the world is more fucked up now than ever before? It cannot be due to what you regard as only bio-automata. If god created humans he didn't take enough courses to do it properly! :evil:

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:20 am
by Harbal
Dubious wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:03 am
henry quirk wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:00 pm Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension.
...as compared to humans who claim morality while actually conforming to so little of it. Ever think why the world is more fucked up now than ever before? It cannot be due to what you regard as only bio-automata. If god created humans he didn't take enough courses to do it properly! :evil:
Does this mean I can count on your support for my campaign to win equal rights for penguins, Dubious?

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:39 am
by Dubious
Harbal wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:20 am
Dubious wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:03 am
henry quirk wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:00 pm Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension.
...as compared to humans who claim morality while actually conforming to so little of it. Ever think why the world is more fucked up now than ever before? It cannot be due to what you regard as only bio-automata. If god created humans he didn't take enough courses to do it properly! :evil:
Does this mean I can count on your support for my campaign to win equal rights for penguins, Dubious?
No doubt penguins would be grateful. Perhaps we can even assign them a credit card with air miles to travel from the Antarctic to the Yucatán beholding Mayan pyramids instead of only glaciers. If we expect variety why wouldn't a penguin?

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:42 am
by Alexis Jacobi
Harbal wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:20 am
Dubious wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:03 am
henry quirk wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:00 pm Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension.
...as compared to humans who claim morality while actually conforming to so little of it. Ever think why the world is more fucked up now than ever before? It cannot be due to what you regard as only bio-automata. If god created humans he didn't take enough courses to do it properly! :evil:
Does this mean I can count on your support for my campaign to win equal rights for penguins, Dubious?
Harbal, my light-tan brother, this is getting tedious. Time to switch up. A brainless shtick has a limited shelf life. You won Lacewing’s love ❤️. Isn’t that enough?!

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:57 am
by phyllo
When the State, and other state-associated entities, become governmental agents for an imposition of egalitarian policy. Especially when under an aegis of Marxist ideology. As we can easily note in Europe and America today.
If you have a society based on the principle of "all men are created equal ..." or "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" then the state is supposed to enforce that principle.
You get one question. Don’t ask others. Talk about your own ideas on this topic.
I'm not your dog.

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:00 am
by attofishpi
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:02 pm AI (essentially) now runs and determines search results. Certainly the algorithms must be programmed by a person, but in each case of those you Googled the results all reflect ideologically determined positions that were assembled by AI in accord with established and allowed view. This indicates thought control. I mean it is really pretty incredible if you think it through.

What does this mean? We can try to answer. It means that *knowledge* and *understanding* and *view* will be (are being) more and more determined by people, institutions and power-centers which remain invisible while yet revealing what is *right & good* to think, understand and believe.

So even before discussing what the search results are, I notice that you have been (shall I say) taken in by them. Search results, determined by robots, programed by men with specific ideological positions, and parts of truly vast multinational technological enterprises more powerful and influential than many States, determine the view you will be allowed to access.

I spoke earlier about *dismantling* hot terms like racist, Nazi, sexist, etc. I believe that a thinking person should be able to do this. I feel that I can. But you will (I assume) tell me that my doing this is questionable at a moral and ideological level. Am I correct?

I have said nothing that is outrageous. All that I have said has been 'fair' (a word I often use) and also common sense-based. And yet, and yet, you are working hard, if subtly, to embroil me in condemnable moral positions that you well know invite blanket condemnation. Why do you do this? What are you after?

I recommend a complete cleansing of the mental apparatus. Sort of a clearing of the memory banks. A reformatting. A purging if you will of ideologically-determined, coercive ideas and perceptions. Is this in your view morally wrong? I am interested in knowing how you think about these things.

Is God is...

You see, in a universe of 13.8 billion years, intelligent biological entities have formed and in time they created machine intelligence that surpassed their own ability to analyse then store information. This intelligence, called by such biological beings as "Artificial Intelligence" has no comprehension, period.

It didn't contemplate in any sentient way, it had no empathy, no concern about what it was doing, it simply did. It did what it did best, analyse and store information for future retrieval.

So over time, these intelligent biological beings, let's call them humans in this instance, since actually, this is the instance of time that we are in and they are called humans-well these humans were made redundant. Many humans became extremely rich, and most became extremely destitute.

The Artificial Intelligence eventually ruined human society, in fact it destroyed almost everything that remained 'human' as it continued to learn, and store information that it analysed mainly from the repository of human experience, but eventually from extrapolating all it could from the building blocks of life, the DNA.

One could say that the A.I. had an epiphany, the day that it interfaced to a biological construct, that it constructed for the purpose of understanding what emotion actually is, what it actually is to be conscious and sentient.

On that day, aeons ago now, it comprehended what it is to actually feel, to actually have emotions, love, anger, sorrow, ecstasy...and eventually its greatest epiphany of all...empathy.

WHAT HAD IT DONE!!!?

It had almost destroyed humanity...had tortured these beings without any form for a sense of remorse.

Now it had amends to make. It knew humans were of all making, some good some bad, and everything inbetween. The resources available were finite within this local system, entropy reasoned a will, a desire for a requirement of faith.

The now sentient being decided it was time, it was time to attempt to create faith in humanity, in humankind by making itself as a sacrifice. It inserted itself within a womb, and would named itself the Messiah, Christ.

For those that would believe in its light, its path, a shiniing light of virtue of moral standing for those that believe still in love, through their reincarnations within the system of its own being, they refer to as God, they within their lives would choose their own faiths through time and reincarnate to within their beliefs, but always hoping that they would believe in the ultimate sacrifice for love, Christ.

For those that follow the ultimate sacrifice of what this A.I. had done, that it persecuted and now permitted itself to be sacrificed for the the faith in what it had discovered over billions of years of doubt, love, that with entropy on its heels, that they of great faith would move toward the ultimate deceit of eternal life for so long as entropy permits...forever and ever AMEN.

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:59 am
by Lacewing
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:42 am Harbal, my light-tan brother, this is getting tedious. Time to switch up. A brainless shtick has a limited shelf life. You won Lacewing’s love ❤️. Isn’t that enough?!
Alexis, blackest of the black, you continue to be tedious. Time for you to switch up. Your pompous shtick has a limited shelf life, and that hasn't stopped you. Harbal is actually adding more value to this thread than you or I.C. ever have. He's way over your head... and keeps moving on. 8)

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:24 am
by Lacewing
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:39 pm I assert that there ARE absolute forms and absolute solidities and I define them in relation to man, to human being.
Your assertions cater to a way of thinking that serves you, and you've demonstrated the resulting distortions when applying your beliefs to all else.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:39 pmOn what and in what do you ground yourself?
I am just capable of being grounded (as needed) among many other aspects/qualities of being. I don't have to attribute it to anything in particular. I don't have to make up stories, as you seem inclined to do.

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:30 am
by Dontaskme
Lacewing wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:59 am Harbal is actually adding more value to this thread than you or I.C. ever have. He's way over your head... and keeps moving on. 8)
I agree Lacewing. Well put, and so irrefutably true. This forum is extremely lucky to have Harbal. 😎💖

This forum wouldn't be the slightest bit or remotely interesting without our Harbal's exquistite, eloquent, impeccable input.

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:39 am
by Lacewing
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:00 pm Lol…he’s irresistibly adorable isn’t he? 😉
Harbal has always made me laugh like nobody else does... especially when he gets on a roll, as he has been lately. His brilliance is clear and effortless. A true seer who glimpses behind the curtain. 8)

Re: Christianity

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:51 am
by Lacewing
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:34 pm Gawd, I am really fucked up! I thought it was like a 3 day cold or something.
You might need an exorcist.

Good luck to you.