Re: Christianity
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:42 pm
Wir brauchen natürlich einen kontext.
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You will have to understand that I reject Progressivism and Egalitarianism to the degree that they become tools of a Marxian subversion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgalitarianismEgalitarianism (from French égal 'equal'), or equalitarianism,[1][2] is a school of thought within political philosophy that builds on the concept of social equality, prioritizing it for all people.[3] Egalitarian doctrines are generally characterized by the idea that all humans are equal in fundamental worth or moral status.[4] Egalitarianism is the doctrine that all citizens of a state should be accorded exactly equal rights.[5] Egalitarian doctrines have motivated many modern social movements and ideas, including the Enlightenment, feminism, civil rights, and international human rights.
When the State, and other state-associated entities, become governmental agents for an imposition of egalitarian policy. Especially when under an aegis of Marxist ideology. As we can easily note in Europe and America today.
Well, to each his own, but I especially liked An Enemy of the People, Ghosts, A Doll's House, Hedda Gabler. I haven't yet read Peer Gynt. These are all plays with a lot of tension having to do with societal norms which to some extent still persist. If you decide to read one of his plays, Ghosts, one of his most controversial, regarding incest and venereal disease and also shorter than most is a good place to begin.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:30 pmWhat are your favorite or in any case recommended plays? I have a good volume of Ibsen but have not read any.
...as compared to humans who claim morality while actually conforming to so little of it. Ever think why the world is more fucked up now than ever before? It cannot be due to what you regard as only bio-automata. If god created humans he didn't take enough courses to do it properly!henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:00 pm Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension.
Does this mean I can count on your support for my campaign to win equal rights for penguins, Dubious?Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:03 am...as compared to humans who claim morality while actually conforming to so little of it. Ever think why the world is more fucked up now than ever before? It cannot be due to what you regard as only bio-automata. If god created humans he didn't take enough courses to do it properly!henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:00 pm Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension.![]()
No doubt penguins would be grateful. Perhaps we can even assign them a credit card with air miles to travel from the Antarctic to the Yucatán beholding Mayan pyramids instead of only glaciers. If we expect variety why wouldn't a penguin?Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:20 amDoes this mean I can count on your support for my campaign to win equal rights for penguins, Dubious?Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:03 am...as compared to humans who claim morality while actually conforming to so little of it. Ever think why the world is more fucked up now than ever before? It cannot be due to what you regard as only bio-automata. If god created humans he didn't take enough courses to do it properly!henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:00 pm Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension.![]()
Harbal, my light-tan brother, this is getting tedious. Time to switch up. A brainless shtick has a limited shelf life. You won Lacewing’s loveHarbal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:20 amDoes this mean I can count on your support for my campaign to win equal rights for penguins, Dubious?Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:03 am...as compared to humans who claim morality while actually conforming to so little of it. Ever think why the world is more fucked up now than ever before? It cannot be due to what you regard as only bio-automata. If god created humans he didn't take enough courses to do it properly!henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:00 pm Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension.![]()
If you have a society based on the principle of "all men are created equal ..." or "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" then the state is supposed to enforce that principle.When the State, and other state-associated entities, become governmental agents for an imposition of egalitarian policy. Especially when under an aegis of Marxist ideology. As we can easily note in Europe and America today.
I'm not your dog.You get one question. Don’t ask others. Talk about your own ideas on this topic.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:02 pm AI (essentially) now runs and determines search results. Certainly the algorithms must be programmed by a person, but in each case of those you Googled the results all reflect ideologically determined positions that were assembled by AI in accord with established and allowed view. This indicates thought control. I mean it is really pretty incredible if you think it through.
What does this mean? We can try to answer. It means that *knowledge* and *understanding* and *view* will be (are being) more and more determined by people, institutions and power-centers which remain invisible while yet revealing what is *right & good* to think, understand and believe.
So even before discussing what the search results are, I notice that you have been (shall I say) taken in by them. Search results, determined by robots, programed by men with specific ideological positions, and parts of truly vast multinational technological enterprises more powerful and influential than many States, determine the view you will be allowed to access.
I spoke earlier about *dismantling* hot terms like racist, Nazi, sexist, etc. I believe that a thinking person should be able to do this. I feel that I can. But you will (I assume) tell me that my doing this is questionable at a moral and ideological level. Am I correct?
I have said nothing that is outrageous. All that I have said has been 'fair' (a word I often use) and also common sense-based. And yet, and yet, you are working hard, if subtly, to embroil me in condemnable moral positions that you well know invite blanket condemnation. Why do you do this? What are you after?
I recommend a complete cleansing of the mental apparatus. Sort of a clearing of the memory banks. A reformatting. A purging if you will of ideologically-determined, coercive ideas and perceptions. Is this in your view morally wrong? I am interested in knowing how you think about these things.
Alexis, blackest of the black, you continue to be tedious. Time for you to switch up. Your pompous shtick has a limited shelf life, and that hasn't stopped you. Harbal is actually adding more value to this thread than you or I.C. ever have. He's way over your head... and keeps moving on.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:42 am Harbal, my light-tan brother, this is getting tedious. Time to switch up. A brainless shtick has a limited shelf life. You won Lacewing’s love. Isn’t that enough?!
Your assertions cater to a way of thinking that serves you, and you've demonstrated the resulting distortions when applying your beliefs to all else.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:39 pm I assert that there ARE absolute forms and absolute solidities and I define them in relation to man, to human being.
I am just capable of being grounded (as needed) among many other aspects/qualities of being. I don't have to attribute it to anything in particular. I don't have to make up stories, as you seem inclined to do.
I agree Lacewing. Well put, and so irrefutably true. This forum is extremely lucky to have Harbal.
You might need an exorcist.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:34 pm Gawd, I am really fucked up! I thought it was like a 3 day cold or something.