Christianity

[Alexis Jacobi]

I hate to tell you this, Alexis, but it is only going to get worse.

I am here to help Harbal! Don't fight me.

[Lacewing]

Here, in this Little Harbal, is the 'evil' that needs to be exposed to the light of day. There is no other reason to fight so dedicatedly against our resident demon.

Why don't you analyze the evil parasite in yourself and stop being such an arrogant asshole? Your constant belittling tone to Harbal shows (further) how much of a worm you are. He must have really gotten to you, as you keep pressing for a reaction with your childish taunts. Fuck you, A.J. Your pompous attitude is disgusting... similar to I.C.'s, which is likely why you and he carried on so much together... and now you finally acknowledge he's full of crap. Well, so are you. You guys need to get the fuck over yourselves. Until then, you can't see beyond the intoxicated brew you each gorge on and try to sell to everybody. Drunken fools masquerading as authorities!

[Alexis Jacobi]

Here, in this Little Harbal, is the 'evil' that needs to be exposed to the light of day. There is no other reason to fight so dedicatedly against our resident demon.

Why don't you analyze the evil parasite in yourself and stop being such an arrogant asshole? Your constant belittling tone to Harbal shows (further) how much of a worm you are. He must have really gotten to you, as you keep pressing for a reaction with your childish taunts. Fuck you, A.J. Your pompous attitude is disgusting... similar to I.C.'s, which is likely why you and he carried on so much together... and now you finally acknowledge he's full of crap. Well, so are you. You guys need to get the fuck over yourselves. Until then, you can't see beyond the intoxicated brew you each gorge on and try to sell to everybody. Drunken fools masquerading as authorities!

What is the first step to self overcoming, Lacewing? I am open to suggestions. Harbal, you too. Help! Help! I am drowning in my own arrogant self-glory! Yet I know I am a worm!



How can I see the parasite in me when the parasite has such control over *me*? I twirl around and no matter where I turn I only face myself. Even in sleep and I only face the mirror that is myself. I seem to be trapped in a postmodern maze and can't get out.

Is my only cure a Promethean one?

Help! Help!

Until then, you can't see beyond the intoxicated brew you each gorge on and try to sell to everybody.

But mine only cost $9.99 a month (and you can unsubscribe at any time).

[Lacewing]

I am certainly not closed to the idea of there being intelligence and purpose at the root of nature, or even physics in general...

...supposing it were the case, that does not leave any kind of God as being the inevitable conclusion, let alone the Christian God. If some kind of intelligence did turn out to be a property of the universe, it is certainly beyond me to account for how it came to be there

It has never made sense to me that man could understand the source of our Universe. Imagining a god/creator in man's image and declaring all of this god's supposed words/commands back to man, is clearly (to me) a farce that serves man in various ways.

Instead of superimposing all of that onto humankind, it seems much more reasonable to notice what's natural without human distortions: what works and what we're part of, and to allow the mystery to remain without manmade add-ons that further limit awareness and potential. It is not necessary to know the origins of the Universe... but it is certainly helpful to discover how to use these moments of awareness and experience for the greatest good and gratitude we're each capable of.

Intelligence and purpose at the root of nature (I like that description you wrote) are not modeled after humans! It is surely of a completely different quality, not ruled by any ego. It might be difficult for humans to know what that is like because we are constantly dealing with ego in the human world, our own ego and that of others. But if we practice setting it aside, even for brief periods or experiments, we can glimpse the natural perfection and power behind it. Such perfection and power are on a very different frequency from human stories... and such as that is truly awe-inspiring. It does not have to be all about us.

[Lacewing]

How can I see the parasite in me when the parasite has such control over *me*?

What do you recommend for I.C.?

Perhaps you can join the same detox program together and get a discount.

[Alexis Jacobi]

What do you recommend for I.C.?

Hmmmm. Poignant question. I feel he is a lost cause.

But I am not! I can grow! I will grow!

I want to be the character in the novel who goes through the transforming events and comes out a better person. Can I make it through?! That remains to be seen. But there is hope!

Maybe I should take yagé?

My starting point . . .

[Harbal]

Is my only cure a Promethean one?

Help! Help!

Nothing short of a complete wanker could come out with something like that.

[phyllo]

So do I, Harbal. God is a manmade concept. As such we men can change the concept and adapt it as seems fitting for preservation of life on Earth, and for allaying suffering, and the sooner the better.

Either god is discovered or there is no god.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Is my only cure a Promethean one?

Help! Help!

Nothing short of a complete wanker could come out with something like that.

In order for there to be a complete wanker there had to have been a partial wanker.

Evolutionism you know ...

Maybe you should take yagé? Don't close yourself off just yet . . .

Here is one for Lacewing . . .

Baptism of fire, all happening within
illusion burns like tall grass in the wild and reckless wind
and now they're coming down around me
and I am rising up
like a great bell resurrected
ringing loud and true
the only way out is through.

All the detours taken never lead you home
What a maze you find yourself in and still alone.
Oh, you thought it should be easy so the truth eluded you
the only way out is through.

[Harbal]

It has never made sense to me that man could understand the source of our Universe. Imagining a god/creator in man's image and declaring all of this god's supposed words/commands back to man, is clearly (to me) a farce that serves man in various ways.

Instead of superimposing all of that onto humankind, it seems much more reasonable to notice what's natural without human distortions: what works and what we're part of, and to allow the mystery to remain without manmade add-ons that further limit awareness and potential. It is not necessary to know the origins of the Universe... but it is certainly helpful to discover how to use these moments of awareness and experience for the greatest good and gratitude we're each capable of.

Intelligence and purpose at the root of nature (I like that description you wrote) are not modeled after humans! It is surely of a completely different quality, not ruled by any ego. It might be difficult for humans to know what that is like because we are constantly dealing with ego in the human world, our own ego and that of others. But if we practice setting it aside, even for brief periods or experiments, we can glimpse the natural perfection and power behind it. Such perfection and power are on a very different frequency from human stories... and such as that is truly awe-inspiring. It does not have to be all about us.

I think most of us feel, or sense, there is more to the world, the universe, existence, than we are aware of through science and our own observations, but anything beyond that is a guess. Some things are simply unknown, and maybe even unknowable. I don't see what is wrong with accepting that, rather than feeling we have to fill the gap with religion, or whatever.

[Harbal]

In order for there to be a complete wanker there had to have been a partial wanker.

Well congratulations, Alexis, you've graduated.

[Alexis Jacobi]

In order for there to be a complete wanker there had to have been a partial wanker.

Well congratulations, Alexis, you've graduated.

Except I do not believe in evolution...

Assholes are simply part of the fabric of God's fallen world. She never should have hankered after that infernal apple!

[Alexis Jacobi]

I think most of us feel, or sense, there is more to the world, the universe, existence, than we are aware of through science and our own observations, but anything beyond that is a guess. Some things are simply unknown, and maybe even unknowable. I don't see what is wrong with accepting that, rather than feeling we have to fill the gap with religion, or whatever.

You are amazing me!

You have stepped out onto the path as a seeker of truth! Though it is a fraught journey blessings upon you! Heroically you have been commissioned -- by what? by whom? we really do not know -- to climb those vertical cliffs that all men who are men must climb.

Many dangers await though Little Brother! Be assured of that. Go prepared! Do you have a protector ring? Do you have a 'spirit guide''? Can you read the signs & omens as you step, consciously and for the first time, out onto the pathless path?

Some things are simply unknown, and maybe even unknowable.

A philosopher is born!

A proper procession and speech is in order!

[iambiguous]

Do you mean to ask me if I think that our Occidental culture or cultures are *superior* to others? I might say that "It appears to me to be the case". Or I might say it does not matter except that for me my own culture is the one I value. But it would not mean, necessarily, that I would stand in judgment of other cultures and try to send agents in to disrupt their own processes or change them.

Okay, that's one frame of mind, of course. What's crucial here however is the extent to which others insist it's a manifestation of human biology. Such that other races are said to be "naturally"/"genetically" inferior.

My review of the evidence, or of the arguments, points to some IQ differences between the large racial groups. So according to those studies the East Asians have a slightly higher average IQ than, say, the average European. They also say that on average the *sub-saharan Africans* have an even lower one than the Europeans.

How much lower? Enough, say, to prompt you to suggest that it is best that white women avoid becoming pregnant through intercourse with black or brown men? Enough to suggest that schools ought to be segregated? Enough to suggest that it is perfectly reasonable to reject affirmative action in the workplace because blacks are "naturally" inferior to whites given jobs that required a greater intelligence?

Again, back to what, if you were in power in any particular community, you would embrace in regard to social, political and economy policies in regard to race.

Google "science and race": https://www.google.com/search?q=science ... s-wiz-serp

Lots of "evidence and arguments" to choose from, right?

Google "religion and race" and there are arguments like this: https://www.religiousstudies.pitt.edu/r ... troduction

Me? Well, again, I recognize the complexity of the issue. But what I focus more on is not the conflicting arguments themselves so much as the role that dasein plays in predisposing some existentially to become racist, and others not to.

The part the objectivists among us steer clear of because they want to believe that their own value judgments here are predicated entirely on reason...on logically and epistemologically sound thinking.

No mere "political prejudices" for them.

That's the part that is "problematic" to me. How far will those convinced that black and brown people are inherently/biologically inferior to white -- and yellow? -- people go when they are in a position of power.

Then back to how far you would go given particular contexts.

As for William Shockley, Google "was shockley a racist?" and you get this: https://www.google.com/search?q=was+sho ... s-wiz-serp

Now, what I suspect of course is that most here, in having, existentially, acquired political prejudices regarding race given their indoctrination as children and the uniquely personal experiences they accumulated as adults, will sift through all of the conflicting assessments from the links above and find ways to confirm their own subjective assumptions.

Myself, I resolved the problem very differently in respect to African-Americans. My view is that *White man's culture* is an enormous imposition on a people who did not arrive in it voluntarily. It has all been forced on them. Even when a supposed freedom was granted them even that was just another form of imposition. That is, "OK now you are free. Now you will be expected to 'become white'." There is no point at which the imposition was not operative. The same was true (perhaps to a lesser extend) in European imperial projects.

Still, the bottom line here [yours] is that however history itself played out, it doesn't make the white race any less superior to the black, brown and red races. Though perhaps "slightly" inferior to the yellow race.

Then the part where those like you do acquire political power in a community. The actual racial policies that are derived from your own "science".

And given that this is a thread revolving around Christianity, one has to take into account the narratives that many Christians embrace in regard to race. Christians rationalizing slavery for example.

Where's the objective science rather than the hopelessly subjective political prejudices rooted in dasein to back that up?

Well, I will admit that something like *objective science* does exist but it is especially proficient in non-contentious areas. When certain studies about IQ have been published (see Roger Pearson and Arthur R. Jenson for examples) they are met with fierce resistance. Is the resistance *science based* or is it based on feeling and sentiment? My impression has been that of feeling and sentiment. That it is 'wrong' to have any idea except the politically correct one.

Right. And you would insist there actually is a politically correct frame of mind here. One that revolves around the belief that the white race is superior to black, brown and red races. Why? Because that conclusion is based on the scientifically correct assumptions of those like Shockley.

Does Coulter's point of view revolve more around culture or skin color?

Google "Is Ann Coulter a racist?" and you get this: https://www.google.com/search?q=is+ann+ ... s-wiz-serp

It appears that she might be. And what does it mean to be assimilated? Give us some specific examples of what it means [to you] to be in sync with the occidental -- white? -- culture. In terms of what?

Google, Wiki -- these are completely contaminated. Don't you know this? They construct algorhythms to produce specific results and not others.

Sure they are. That is, unless the articles and the links are in sync with your own political prejudices. Come on, left or right, hypocrisy will always be around, one suspects.

Besides, as a racialist yourself, wouldn't you applaud the fact that she is "one of us"?

Then the "separate but equal" frame of mind.

Myself, I accept cultural identification which includes a view of one's own somatic being as valid. I do not condemn it. I extend this right to all people though. Chinese, Indians of India, Japanese, Europeans -- these people have an absolute right to highly value their somatic selves (what their ancestry bequeathes to them), to value it and also to protect it. I regard those ideas that operate against this as pathological. But race-composition s just one part of a gamut.

Ann Coulter has a right to favor her people, her stock, over that of any other. However, I'd say the same thing if a Mexican villager or a chauvinist Frenchman held the same (proud) idea. The pathology is to be found it is specifically to be found in those currents set in motion that result in an anti-Whiteness stance. And more so when this infects a White who 'turns against himself'.

It's just that some chauvinists are more equal than others. But if black, brown and red people choose to interact with white people they should not be surprised when the white "stock" discriminate against them...given that they are in fact "scientifically" an inferior breed.

Although for some white racialists, it might be entirely reasonable for the yellow races to discriminate against them in their own communities.

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