Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:54 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:29 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:04 pm
Has it occurred to you that it's not a stitch different than the "ideological solipsism" it take for an Atheist to dismiss them all?
It's exactly the same phenomenon.
Yeah it's pretty different.
You're misunderstanding ideological solipsism btw. You think it's a matter of thinking you're right and/or thinking others are wrong. That's not what I'm talking about. That's not solipsism, that's just believing something is true.
But that's all it is. So why call it "ideological solipsism"?
It's not as if religious people have some different psychology from, say, Atheists, you know. Atheists insist that their worldview is the right one, and have contempt for any other possibility, and dismiss the other side(s) outright, even prior to investigation, and have no basis in evidence for their own view (whereas at least some religious people insist they do have evidence)...so what aspect of "solipsistic" thinking do Atheists lack, that you see exhibited in those you condemn as "religious"?
K: and missing the Atheist point of view, once again.....
the point of view is not that god is dead or not there....
the point of view is that what we see, is what we get....
there is no metaphysics, or something behind the physical world....
that is the atheist viewpoint.....Atheism is a materialistic
viewpoint.... that the only thing that exists is material,
and there is nothing outside of this material... or beyond
this materialism.... there is no such thing as an immortal soul....
that would say that there is something outside of or beyond
the physical.... the very idea that there is even a soul,
is a rather shaky one.... and unprovable.......
what we see is what we get.... we have body and that once
that body dies, that is it.... there is nothing outside of or beyond
that... there is not a metaphysical soul that outlasts us... because
that would assume facts and knowledge that we don't have.....
let us try this: where exactly is the soul in the human body?
Human beings have been dissected for centuries, and every single
part of the human body has been examined and reexamined....so,
where does the soul reside? and your answer will be, I don't know...
and you don't know......how can you have complete faith in something
you don't know or you can't even venture a guess at?
that is the problem with belief... it requires that one to belief in something
that they can't touch, see, smell, taste or hear.... there is no evidence
for a metaphysical universe...no evidence for a god, for a heaven, for hell,
for a Satan, for a soul, for angels..... no place where you can say,
yes, we can look and see heaven right here... or we can find god right here....
or the soul resided right here in the human body..... there are no facts that
support your own viewpoint.... whereas I don't need facts to support the fact
that the world around me exists.... I can see, hear, touch, taste or smell
the world around me... all I need do to support my world view is
to open my eyes and look... can you do the same?
Kropotkin
He's now the Dems chief problem; and if it weren't for the sheer loathesomeness of his VP, they might have done him in already.
