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I believe that it has become obvious that Harbal has the "hots" for several of the female members of this forum, perhaps his wife isn't "putting out" as much as he would like?Immanuel Can wrote:Yes. Or as you suggested, he has some personal reason for caring whether or not they are...thedoc wrote:Apparently Harbal thinks that only men can do philosophy and women are too emotional.
Oh! Talking to me now eh!Immanuel Can wrote:No. ...
Died an agnostic and did not set it up because he was a Christian but because he saw suffering, something atheists do as well.Red Cross -- "Founder: J. H. Dunant was born in Geneva, Switzerland, the first son of businessman Jean-Jacques Dunant and Antoinette Dunant-Colladon. His family was devoutly Calvinist..."
But not a Christian organization, just works with religious groups.UNICEF -- "Faith-based organizations and religious groups have become important partners in UNICEF's work with children across the globe. In developing countries, UNICEF works very closely with religious communities - ranging from those of the Buddhist and Islamic faith to several denominations within the Christian faith - whose tenets of religion include an interest in the health and wellbeing of people, and particularly of children..."
One of whom was a humanist and apparently a paganist.Oxfam -- "Oxfam was founded at 17 Broad Street in Oxford, Oxfordshire, in 1942 as the Oxford Committee for Famine Relief by a group of Quakers, social activists, and Oxford academics..."
Seriously interesting that you ignore the other charities I mentioned nor addressed the issue that many Christian charities are set-up to promote the faith but atheist ones do it for the love.Seriously.
Actually I think most atheists would prefer if the taxation system provided a fairer and more equitable system and workers had a fairer share of the pie rather than pennies in the collection plates to salve the conscience.thedoc wrote:...
All the organizations around here that provide for for those in need are religious based organizations, perhaps the atheists feel that the religious based groups are doing such a good job that they don't need to do anything. That does not just include food, it also provides other services, clothing, school supplies, payments for utilities, etc.
thedoc wrote:Nice dodge, Again what do I believe according to you? I was asking what you think that I am supposed to believe. Without your being specific, I can't respond with an agreement or denial.Dubious wrote:...nothing that I say or qualified to say on behalf of another. As an older person, believe what your conscience commends as a source of comfort. There’s no payback now in getting analytical. Most of the objections here have less to do with belief in the Bible than with IC’s sick virulence against atheists which in its insane hatred completely escapes reality.thedoc wrote: According to you, what do I have to believe?
What IC believes or doesn't believe is irrelevant to the conversation. We tend to agree but there are some minor differences.
What do you mean by "not necessarily"? So you agree that many theists believe in an 'end of times' where judgement will be meted out to the believers and unbelievers alike.thedoc wrote:Since I haven't died (yet) I'll give it a try, I believe the "end of times" is an individual thing and not necessarily an event that will happen world wide at one time. ...
That's interesting, so atheists just die?Each individual faces their own judgment on death, and for believers, as determined by God not men, that will determine heaven or not. Heaven does not involve endless time, but eternity, which is different. ...
And yet you just did above with your "not necessarily" unless of course you're like me and have asked them what they believe.I really can't speak for what other Christians believe, unlike some atheists who think they know what all Christians and other religious people are supposed to believe.
Ouch.thedoc wrote:I believe that it has become obvious that Harbal has the "hots" for several of the female members of this forum, perhaps his wife isn't "putting out" as much as he would like?Immanuel Can wrote:Yes. Or as you suggested, he has some personal reason for caring whether or not they are...thedoc wrote:Apparently Harbal thinks that only men can do philosophy and women are too emotional.
They also make a shit-load of money and don't have to pay taxes.thedoc wrote:All the organizations around here that provide for for those in need are religious based organizations, perhaps the atheists feel that the religious based groups are doing such a good job that they don't need to do anything. That does not just include food, it also provides other services, clothing, school supplies, payments for utilities, etc.Immanuel Can wrote:I can understand your spite and venom. After all, they're certainly outperforming the billions of Atheist-run soup kitchens.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:There are a lot of kristian charities because kristians are the biggest thieves and scammers, and they exploit kristian guilt and desire for brown-points.
Money that's hidden in foreign bank accounts isn't going to show up, idiot. The Salvation Army is a multi-billion dollar corporation. A few soup kitchens and 'charity' shops (that incidentally make a hell of a lot of money) aren't going to make a dent in the interest, let alone net profit.Competition is so cruel.
What can you say for someone who finds a way to begrudge the poor a bowl of soup?
Maybe, "Have a nice day." Not much else.
I don't begrudge the poor anything. The Sallies should be providing 5 star meals and accommodation for them considering the amount of money those kristian thieves are raking in, tax free.Immanuel Can wrote:I can understand your spite and venom. After all, they're certainly outperforming the billions of Atheist-run soup kitchens.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:There are a lot of kristian charities because kristians are the biggest thieves and scammers, and they exploit kristian guilt and desire for brown-points.
Money that's hidden in foreign bank accounts isn't going to show up, idiot. The Salvation Army is a multi-billion dollar corporation. A few soup kitchens and 'charity' shops (that incidentally make a hell of a lot of money) aren't going to make a dent in the interest, let alone net profit.
What can you say for someone who finds a way to begrudge the poor a bowl of soup?
Maybe, "Have a nice day." Not much else.
Rubbish. You know nothing about it. I can tell by the way you talk that you've no exposure to it at all.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: They also make a shit-load of money and don't have to pay taxes.
That the Bible is the word of god and that Jesus is the Son of the OT god. So on and so forth…..thedoc wrote:Nice dodge, Again what do I believe according to you?
What you’re supposed to believe is a different question entirely the answer to which is not to be presumed by me. That’s what you’re own intelligence is for. Why try to bait someone else with a question that can’t be answered, since I’m not you?thedoc wrote:I was asking what you think that I am supposed to believe.
Which part is rubbish? Listen dipshit, it's not rocket science. When you have a huge amount of money coming in, with very little outlay and no taxes to pay, then the result is a shit-load of money. 'Charity' is big business. FACT.Immanuel Can wrote:Rubbish. You know nothing about it.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: They also make a shit-load of money and don't have to pay taxes.
The people who work for those organizations often earn a fraction of what they could in the private sector, and do a ton of stuff for free. But go do some charitable work yourself, and you'll find out.
Actually I did voluntary online work for victims of workplace bullying for a decade, and I have long disliked religion.Immanuel Can wrote:You'll find that the people who work for those organizations often earn a fraction of what they could in the private sector, and do a ton of stuff for free.
But go do some charitable work yourself, and you'll find out. Of course, Atheism won't warrant that, so you'll have to find a new reason.
The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about, so you two carry on, it's doing my ego a world of good. Sorry I can't stay and join in, I've just noticed Greta has turned up and I need to go and ask if she fancies swapping a few dirty PMs.Immanuel Can wrote:Ouch.thedoc wrote:I believe that it has become obvious that Harbal has the "hots" for several of the female members of this forum, perhaps his wife isn't "putting out" as much as he would like?Immanuel Can wrote:
Yes. Or as you suggested, he has some personal reason for caring whether or not they are...
Well, I won't speculate. But it's odd that he cares so evidently about that when others don't. After all, philosophy is philosophy, and logic is logic.
Excellent points Greta. I think it's probably true that most Big Business charities are kristian, but many people give anonymously to causes that they feel empathy for, be it a sick child, or an animal sanctuary, or any of the other millions of worthy recipients who miss out to the big name charities with money to burn on 'marketing' and PR. Giving to Big Business kristian charities is akin to donating your money to Donald Trump or Bill Gates.Greta wrote:Actually I did voluntary online work for victims of workplace bullying for a decade, and I have long disliked religion.Immanuel Can wrote:You'll find that the people who work for those organizations often earn a fraction of what they could in the private sector, and do a ton of stuff for free.
But go do some charitable work yourself, and you'll find out. Of course, Atheism won't warrant that, so you'll have to find a new reason.
Why did I do it? Empathy. I'd been bullied myself and my job at the time gave me the legal and practical knowledge to put me in a position where I could make a difference.
Sportspeople and artists often start charities after meeting disabled kids as part of their promo work. Numerous people are motivated to help after a family member is harmed by unexpected problems. Religion likes to take credit for all charity but it's a lie. In the past religious charities were the only ones because those who declared themselves to be nonreligious would be denied employment in the sector. Gradually secular organisations are creeping in, as quickly as they are allowed. Some people are empathetic and some are not, and logically religion is no determinant.
People don't need religion to feel empathetic towards other beings and to be motivated to volunteer significant effort into helping others with no material reward or reputation lift. On the other hand, intense religious belief can lead to the opposite of empathy - objectification - hence the horrors of religious extremism.
