Scientific Facts In The Quran

[lennartack]

When you say you Believe or have faith? Do you mean that you are sure, that your religion is "right"?

That's not what the words mean. They mean you are not sure, you do not know whether God exist, but choose to believe it. I understand why people make this choice, I myself choose to believe in God sometimes. That doesn't mean he exists though.

If however, you think that there is scientific evidence that God exists and made the Koran, I'd have to agree with Chaz you're a moron. I know you have said this is not the case; it is some sort of "feeling" that tells you you are right.

But even then you should understand that nobody here has that feeling, and mostly only people who grew up in an Islamic environment have it. So, what are you trying to convince me of?

[Arising_uk]

Cool scenario !

Fact.

[Arising_uk]

There was no bastardization...Judaism created the initial understanding of '"""GOD"""" and proclaimed that a messiah would come of """"GOD""""

What do you think the Bible is?

Christ came along as a peasant and spoke the truth of love and peace and forgiveness.

Apparently his father was a carpenter, hardly the son of a peasant.

The ruling Jewish priests didnt believe in he was the messiah so they plotted to say 'good bye' please Romans crucify this imposter...

Given there were messiahs by the dozen I'd think it more to do with politics.

Many years later (about 600) a war lord by the name of Mohamad came along and told everyone he was to now profit (woops prophet) from the beacon of truth. Yes bow down to my birthplace because im not vain. Force your women to be subservient to man.

Christians have hardly placed women in positions of equality and power now have they.

Let me see...should i believe in Jesus as the Christ someone who spoke of peace and trust...or a warlord?

MAtthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Micah 7:6 For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies are the members of his own household.

Matthew 10:21 "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.

Luke 12:53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Or a jew that is still wishing for the messiah?

I think the word is "waiting".

Je wish = (i wish) the messiah to come.....blow it out your ass... He already did! And suffer he did!

Boo Hoo

As have so many others at the hands of the 'Christian'.

[Khalid]

There was no bastardization...Judaism created the initial understanding of '"""GOD"""" and proclaimed that a messiah would come of """"GOD""""

Actually Abraham prophet is the first man who told people , There is no God but one God . And he is the father of prophets "Ismail , Jacob , Josef , Dawood , Solomon and others . this is why Judaism , Christianity and Islam are called Abrahamic religions . Muhammed is from Ismail's progeny .

Many years later (about 600) a war lord by the name of Mohamad came along and told everyone he was to now profit (woops prophet) from the beacon of truth. Yes bow down to my birthplace because im not vain. Force your women to be subservient to man.

Muhammad came with the same message of Abraham , Moses and Jesus . To worship God (The only God) and to believe in the afterlife . He came when the world was living in it's darkest ages ever slavery , injustice and oppression . In the Romanian empire in that time for example , they used to bring a man and make him face a hungry lion in front of a laughing excited crowd . I don't want to keep talking , you don't know anything about history to come and simply say whoops prophet . And we don't bow down to his birthplace , we bow down to Allah , the whole earth belongs to and created by Allah .

Je wish = (i wish) the messiah to come.....blow it out your ass... He already did! And suffer he did!

Peace be upon him .

[Khalid]

When you say you Believe or have faith? Do you mean that you are sure, that your religion is "right"?

That's not what the words mean. They mean you are not sure, you do not know whether God exist, but choose to believe it. I understand why people make this choice, I myself choose to believe in God sometimes. That doesn't mean he exists though.

1 . Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2 . Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3 . He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4 . And there is none like unto Him.

When we say we believe there is no God but Allah , we mean that we literally with no doubt believe that God exists and will judge us.

If however, you think that there is scientific evidence that God exists and made the Koran, I'd have to agree with Chaz you're a moron. I know you have said this is not the case; it is some sort of "feeling" that tells you you are right.

Alright , that's your opinion then .

But even then you should understand that nobody here has that feeling, and mostly only people who grew up in an Islamic environment have it. So, what are you trying to convince me of?

Trying to convince you of the topic's title "Scientific Facts In The Quran" . We can agree that it's true but yet that doesn't convince you that Islam is the truth , well , no problem then . I didn't mean to make proselytizing with this thread but I was just trying to prove that those facts are right but unfortunately I had to be bothered by so many mental arrogance .

[Kayla]

Sorry it would make everything impossible because all those stars that go round every 24 hours would have to exceed the speed of light by many thousands of times, which is impossible.

and you say you were a teacher!?

if we suppose that the earth is immobile and the rest of the universe revolves around it, the distance between any point on the surface of the earth and any particular star changes slightly - but the diameter of the earth - across 24 hours - that is all that happens

how to you get exceeding the speed of light from that

Your comment exemplifies a complete misunderstanding of science.

Maybe your science teacher need to take his head out of his arse?

i have heard that science education in the Uk was bad but i did not realize how bad it is

[lennartack]

Trying to convince you of the topic's title "Scientific Facts In The Quran" . We can agree that it's true but yet that doesn't convince you that Islam is the truth , well , no problem then . I didn't mean to make proselytizing with this thread but I was just trying to prove that those facts are right but unfortunately I had to be bothered by so many mental arrogance .

Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRationalizer?ob=0. He interviewed some of the scientists from your earlier video and shows that their statements were taken out of context, and actually they do not think the Quran is written by a divinity at all.

Also, you seem to not understand the difference between scientific findings and statements made by scientists. If there was scientific ground for believing that the Quran was made with divine inspiration there would exist scientific publications about it. Yet they do not exist. Not even muslim scientists have tried doing this.

You're not going to convince anyone with your scientific nonsense who isn't already a muslim.

[chaz wyman]

Sorry it would make everything impossible because all those stars that go round every 24 hours would have to exceed the speed of light by many thousands of times, which is impossible.

and you say you were a teacher!?

if we suppose that the earth is immobile and the rest of the universe revolves around it, the distance between any point on the surface of the earth and any particular star changes slightly - but the diameter of the earth - across 24 hours - that is all that happens

how to you get exceeding the speed of light from that

I don't think you are that stupid.
But I'll tell you anyway.
The nearest star if 40 light years away. If it describes a circle round the earth, its radius is 40 light years. The circumference is 2PIr. Which means that in 24 hours that star moves 251 light years. As you will know the maximum speed is 1 light year/year.
Do I need to say more?
When you get to the most distant star then the equation is so much more ridiculous.

Your comment exemplifies a complete misunderstanding of science.
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Maybe your science teacher need to take his head out of his arse?

i have heard that science education in the Uk was bad but i did not realize how bad it is

If you are a typical example of the idiots that US schools are spewing out then your opinion is of no consequence.
You'll be telling me next that the earth began 4004BC.

[Kayla]

chaz i hope you like khalid are cute because no one should be ugly and dumb

for the purposes of this discussion we can assume that stars are static with respect to each other - they move with respect to each other but not fast enough to make a difference here

so if we have star A that is 10 million light years from earth -- and it along with other starts - orbits earth, its distance relative to other starts does not change as it rotates 180 degrees around earth so it is not moving at hyperlight speeds relative to them

and its distance relative to the point on the surface of earth closest to it 12 hours ago changed by 12 thousand or so kilometers - so no hyperlight speed there either

it is silly to look at things this way and not very convenient for astronomical calculations and whatnot but it does not contradict any observed facts

you may want to look up the word 'reification'

[chaz wyman]

chaz i hope you like khalid are cute because no one should be ugly and dumb

for the purposes of this discussion we can assume that stars are static with respect to each other - they move with respect to each other but not fast enough to make a difference here

No you cannot. It is empirically false, Go back to school. idiot.

so if we have star A that is 10 million light years from earth -- and it along with other starts - orbits earth, its distance relative to other starts does not change as it rotates 180 degrees around earth so it is not moving at hyperlight speeds relative to them

That is the most stupid thing I have heard in a long time. I cannot begin to see what the fuck you are talking about.
Where the fuck do you get 180 degrees from??
If the earth is static, then ALL the stare must be traveling 360 degrees everyday RELATIVE TO EARTH. Get off you fat backside tonight and go and watch the stars move! Only stars at the north pole move in small circles.
So relative to earth, they have to be describing a very big circle as I already told you.

and its distance relative to the point on the surface of earth closest to it 12 hours ago changed by 12 thousand or so kilometers - so no hyperlight speed there either

it is silly to look at things this way and not very convenient for astronomical calculations and whatnot but it does not contradict any observed facts

you may want to look up the word 'reification'

Reification has fuck all to do with this discussion.

Those stars are NOT moving at all. IT is the earth that revolves once in 24 hours. That is why the stars APPEAR to move, moron. If they were really moving then they would have to be moving at ridiculous speeds.
But even if you insist that the earth revolves bu that the other planets, the moon and the sun orbit the earth - you are still stuck with the problem of stellar parallax.
Look it up!



You are the dumbest piece of shit on this thread at the moment.

[Kayla]

You are the dumbest piece of shit on this thread at the moment.

i think we found the reason you are not teaching any more chaz

i mean its almost impossible to fire a teacher but it is not totally impossible

if you are a major douchebag long enough you can eventually get fired

reification has everything to do with this discussion

scientific facts are not so much facts as models

if you forget that you start thinking abstractions are real things

what did you teach

are you sure you were a teacher and not a delusional janitor

[chaz wyman]

You are the dumbest piece of shit on this thread at the moment.

i think we found the reason you are not teaching any more chaz

i mean its almost impossible to fire a teacher but it is not totally impossible

if you are a major douchebag long enough you can eventually get fired

reification has everything to do with this discussion

scientific facts are not so much facts as models

if you forget that you start thinking abstractions are real things

what did you teach

are you sure you were a teacher and not a delusional janitor

In all my years of teaching I cannot imagine any child who is so dense as to not understand the simple proposition that I have just laid out. I noticed you have given up on your mind-numbingly stupid claim that science does not care if the earth is static.
You must have realise how wrong you were and have been trying to back track since your first ridiculous statement. Instead of continuing on your hiding to nothing defending this nonsense - you have gone back to your childish personal attack.
I expected more from you - never mind. You are obviously as stupid as those 'adults' that you like to attack.

We all make mistakes, I'll take it that you have now realised yours and have given up on trying to defend the indefensible.
Maybe you could try to get a life too?

[Arising_uk]

... Muhammed is from Ismail's progeny ...

Does this not make him a Jew?

(Although not strictly speaking as I think the Jews have a matriarchal lineage so it'd depend who married who but I guess given you have a patriarchal one you'd have to think Muhammed a Jew)

[attofishpi]

There was no bastardization...Judaism created the initial understanding of '"""GOD"""" and proclaimed that a messiah would come of """"GOD""""

What do you think the Bible is?
A complex piece of literature.

Christ came along as a peasant and spoke the truth of love and peace and forgiveness.

Apparently his father was a carpenter, hardly the son of a peasant.
But not precluding. The point was that the Jewish priests didnt regard him as much more than peasant and thus certainly not the Christ.

The ruling Jewish priests didnt believe in he was the messiah so they plotted to say 'good bye' please Romans crucify this imposter...

Given there were messiahs by the dozen I'd think it more to do with politics.
Really...dozens of messiahs all at once?

Many years later (about 600) a war lord by the name of Mohamad came along and told everyone he was to now profit (woops prophet) from the beacon of truth. Yes bow down to my birthplace because im not vain. Force your women to be subservient to man.

Christians have hardly placed women in positions of equality and power now have they.
Are you blaming Christ for that?

Let me see...should i believe in Jesus as the Christ someone who spoke of peace and trust...or a warlord?

MAtthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
You got me there...as per Romans 1:20...so that men are without excuse.
And dont forget Mark 12:31 "You shall love your neighbour as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than this." ...perhaps if we all managed to adhere to that commandment the sword would have not been required.

Micah 7:6 For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies are the members of his own household.
Days of our lives?

Matthew 10:21 "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
Spoke the truth?

Or a jew that is still wishing for the messiah?

I think the word is "waiting".
No by now i think every Jew is wishing...

Je wish = (i wish) the messiah to come.....blow it out your ass... He already did! And suffer he did!

Boo Hoo
As have so many others at the hands of the 'Christian'.

I agree...by those that call themselves Christian...

[Arising_uk]

A complex piece of literature.

Nope, political expediency. As a Roman Emperor got sick of the public disorder and bloodshed that the heretical conflicts were causing in his streets, so he gathered together the parties and told them to cobble together a 'book' from all the documentation around at the time that most could agree with and then those who followed it would be Christians and the rest heretics. Slaughter, banish, ostracise, etc, the rest and then save any disagreements for theological discussion only, if not its the galleys and the games for the lot of you.

But not precluding. The point was that the Jewish priests didnt regard him as much more than peasant and thus certainly not the Christ.

Definitely precluding. Where in the Bible did you get this from? Or is this your 'sage' talking.

Really...dozens of messiahs all at once?

Nope, dozens all with their own little sects. Much like the New Age gnus of today.

Are you blaming Christ for that?

Yup! Cause if the stupid fuck had not got himself killed then he'd have been around to correct his disciples and rein in the Church.

No by now i think every Jew is wishing...

Have you met any Jews?

I agree...by those that call themselves Christian...

The cry of all numbnut godbotherers the world over, "They're not the 'real' X's", but they think they are and who are you to say different?