Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[SpheresOfBalance]

No, you brain dead fuck, In this limited medium it's impossible to classify any one in a word. Anyone's verbiage may be seen as initially from one perspective, but once inspected completely at all angles, one can see other such perspectives, such that they could be said to believe in a new idea, that has elements of several old ideas, with a few new ones thrown in. You cannot honestly pigeon hole anyone here in this limited forum, without opening mouth and inserting foot.

Are you hard of seeing, all three were definitively incorrect, are you dense?

And no, I do not like being pigeon holed by those with limited facts and knowledge, so please keep your labeling to yourself, fool! See, not very nice is it.

Now, it was uncalled for that you called me 'numb nuts' as well as it was uncalled for that I called you a 'brain dead fuck' and a 'fool,' so can you and I, please, not stoop to the level of Chaz?

And yet the terms I used are used in philosophy and yours are not. What is a "cookie-cutter" by the way? Did I find spite or offense in your use of "reductionist"? No I did not. I questioned why you thought so rather than letting my emotions gush.

Yes, my emotions gush. I haven't been here for the last week because my wife came home. No way I have time for this forum, while she's home. But now she's gone again and I thought I had taken it better than the last time, but the way I'm dealing with the forums says otherwise. So shoot me!

Do you not hear the victimhood writ large in your responses to me?
Well I was a victim most of my childhood, remember what I said about being abused in the past in another thread. As it turns out, so my psychologist says, my brain has been physically changed due to the psychological trauma I experienced as a 4 year old from my father (different matter that you are unaware of), such that I have a bit of a problem with angst (anxiety).

But since I'm visually somewhat reminiscent of a visigoth and I started training at 9yo, it had it's benefits as an adult, as I was able to sucker kick people in the face that fucked with me before they knew what hit them, it made me think and move very fast, because since a child I had to be on my toes to survive, or so I believed. I was on television for it on 3 separate occasions. The problem I have is every time i walk into a room of people that don't know me, most of them divert their eyes from my gaze, as I unintentionally intimidate them, simply by looking at them. This then is the one problem that I've absolutely hated after being neurologically changed by my fuckwit of a father.

But the truth is that, at one time or another, we are all victims of someone or something, in some way or another. Apparently it takes one that knows it all too well, to sniff it out, and I have very large olfactory cavities in this application!

[SpheresOfBalance]

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The word 'thoughts' never entered the picture nor did you allow for your misconception, which is apparent from my perspective

Which I still waiting to hear, as so far my thoughts about your appear to hold.

Are you shrooming? Neither of us know whom the other is talking to, it's impossible here when one use's pseudonym's, and even if we did use our real names, it still wouldn't necessarily mean anything of significance.

Which is why I wait to hear some response from you to my questions.

Simply that we are from different camps you buy into the lie and I see it for what it is, intentional or otherwise.

But you've not said what your camp is?

NO! Empty for me, empty for me, empty for me, empty for me, christ how many times to I have to say it? Empty for me, empty for me! Get it, NOT that your words are empty for 'you,' but they are empty for 'me.'

Yes, but which specfic point in your quote of me were you referring to? As you quoted two thoughts of mine.

I really like how chilled you can be, I think you may really be a sweetheart after all!

I'll take a break for now, brb!

P.S. As I wrote this about you, a tear ran down my face. In light of what I've said thus far, what do you think it means?

[SpheresOfBalance]

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The word 'thoughts' never entered the picture nor did you allow for your misconception, which is apparent from my perspective

Which I still waiting to hear, as so far my thoughts about your appear to hold.

Are you shrooming? Neither of us know whom the other is talking to, it's impossible here when one use's pseudonym's, and even if we did use our real names, it still wouldn't necessarily mean anything of significance.

Which is why I wait to hear some response from you to my questions.

Simply that we are from different camps you buy into the lie and I see it for what it is, intentional or otherwise.

But you've not said what your camp is?

NO! Empty for me, empty for me, empty for me, empty for me, christ how many times to I have to say it? Empty for me, empty for me! Get it, NOT that your words are empty for 'you,' but they are empty for 'me.'

Yes, but which specfic point in your quote of me were you referring to? As you quoted two thoughts of mine.

I really like how chilled you can be, I think you may really be a sweetheart after all!

I'll take a break for now, brb!

P.S. As I wrote this about you, a tear ran down my face. In light of what I've said thus far, what do you think it means?

EDIT: I'm currently working on a large piece to answer your first query above.

[Arising_uk]

Well I was a victim most of my childhood, remember what I said about being abused in the past in another thread. As it turns out, so my psychologist says, my brain has been physically changed due to the psychological trauma I experienced as a 4 year old from my father (different matter that you are unaware of), such that I have a bit of a problem with angst (anxiety). ...

You should change your psychologist as I think they are blowing it out of their fraudian arse with that idea. Find a John Grinder based NC NLP therapist and see if they can help with this issue, can't hurt and it'll definitely be better than the shrink you've got as they are effectively telling you that you can't change and re-enforcing this victim status.

But since I'm visually somewhat reminiscent of a visigoth and I started training at 9yo, it had it's benefits as an adult, as I was able to sucker kick people in the face that fucked with me before they knew what hit them, it made me think and move very fast, because since a child I had to be on my toes to survive, or so I believed. I was on television for it on 3 separate occasions. The problem I have is every time i walk into a room of people that don't know me, most of them divert their eyes from my gaze, as I unintentionally intimidate them, simply by looking at them. This then is the one problem that I've absolutely hated after being neurologically changed by my fuckwit of a father.

I doubt its unintentional maybe sub-conscious as I know a six-foot five twenty-four stone monster and he gets no such response, you get what you give out.

But the truth is that, at one time or another, we are all victims of someone or something, in some way or another. Apparently it takes one that knows it all too well, to sniff it out, and I have very large olfactory cavities in this application!

Maybe but its how you deal with it that makes the difference to victim-hood. You remind me of my youth and the lads who used to say "I won't look for trouble but I'll never back-down from it" and lo' and behold they were in a fight every-time we went out.

[Arising_uk]

ni·hil·ism /ˈnaɪəˌlɪzəm, ˈni-/ [nahy-uh-liz-uhm, nee-]
4. Philosophy .
a. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
b. nothingness or nonexistence.

NOPE!

Thats just one form;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Forms_of_nihilism

But I'll take your word for it. So what objective thing is it that you think gives meaning to existence?

While I can see how you could say this, based upon some of the things I've said, I see it like this:

The good things are good, no need to mention them, because there's no need to change them, but rather, enjoy them.
The bad things are bad, so there is a need to mention them, because there is a need to change them, how could anyone possibly really enjoy them.[/color]

I understand it like this, there are no 'good' or 'bad' things, just positive intentions. The trick is, if we don't like the actions produced by them, to satisfy them another way.

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Is there conspiring? Of course there is!
Do I know of any particular meetings? No!

Then you have no grounds for deduction.

Can you look at facts and extrapolate what could be seen as conspiracies? Of course you can!
Does it mean they are definitely conspiracies? Of course not!

Or just the cock-up theory of events.

Could it be that these things that you bring to light are merely coincidence, born of mankind's legacy? Of course!

What legacy!?

Does this change the fact that they should be changed in the interests of fairness? Of course not!
If you bring them to light can someone see you as a conspiracy theorist? Of course they can!

What conspiracy are you talking about?

Does it mean that in fact that you are one? Of course not!

Pretty much does.

[SpheresOfBalance]

ni·hil·ism /ˈnaɪəˌlɪzəm, ˈni-/ [nahy-uh-liz-uhm, nee-]
4. Philosophy .
a. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
b. nothingness or nonexistence.

NOPE!

Thats just one form;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Forms_of_nihilism

But I'll take your word for it. So what objective thing is it that you think gives meaning to existence?

While I can see how you could say this, based upon some of the things I've said, I see it like this:

The good things are good, no need to mention them, because there's no need to change them, but rather, enjoy them.
The bad things are bad, so there is a need to mention them, because there is a need to change them, how could anyone possibly really enjoy them.[/color]

I understand it like this, there are no 'good' or 'bad' things, just positive intentions. The trick is, if we don't like the actions produced by them, to satisfy them another way.

...
Is there conspiring? Of course there is!
Do I know of any particular meetings? No!

Then you have no grounds for deduction.

Can you look at facts and extrapolate what could be seen as conspiracies? Of course you can!
Does it mean they are definitely conspiracies? Of course not!

Or just the cock-up theory of events.

Could it be that these things that you bring to light are merely coincidence, born of mankind's legacy? Of course!

What legacy!?

Does this change the fact that they should be changed in the interests of fairness? Of course not!
If you bring them to light can someone see you as a conspiracy theorist? Of course they can!

What conspiracy are you talking about?

Does it mean that in fact that you are one? Of course not!

Pretty much does.

leg·a·cy /ˈlɛgəsi/ [leg-uh-see] noun, plural -cies.
2. anything handed down from the past, as from an ancestor or predecessor: the legacy of ancient Rome.

For you to say this last line means either you did not read them all or you didn't understand them.

[Arising_uk]

leg·a·cy /ˈlɛgəsi/ [leg-uh-see] noun, plural -cies.
2. anything handed down from the past, as from an ancestor or predecessor: the legacy of ancient Rome.

For you to say this last line means either you did not read them all or you didn't understand them.

What about the Pax Romana?

I think you on the wrong forum as you appear to have missed the import of this;

Is there conspiring? Of course there is!
Do I know of any particular meetings? No!

Then you have no grounds for deduction.

[SpheresOfBalance]

leg·a·cy /ˈlɛgəsi/ [leg-uh-see] noun, plural -cies.
2. anything handed down from the past, as from an ancestor or predecessor: the legacy of ancient Rome.

For you to say this last line means either you did not read them all or you didn't understand them.

What about the Pax Romana?

I think you on the wrong forum as you appear to have missed the import of this;

Is there conspiring? Of course there is!
Do I know of any particular meetings? No!

Then you have no grounds for deduction.

No, no, no these are a group:
pay particular attention to the two in violet together they prove the one in green

Is there conspiring? Of course there is!
Do I know of any particular meetings? No!
Can you look at facts and extrapolate what could be seen as conspiracies? Of course you can!
Does it mean they are definitely conspiracies? Of course not!
Could it be that these things that you bring to light are merely coincidence, born of mankind's legacy? Of course!
Does this change the fact that they should be changed in the interests of fairness? Of course not!
If you bring them to light can someone see you as a conspiracy theorist? Of course they can!
Does it mean that in fact that you are one? Of course not!

[Arising_uk]

Is there conspiring? Of course there is!
Do I know of any particular meetings? No!

You're still not seeing the problem with these two sentences. If you don't no of any particular meetings then how do you know there is conspiring?

You're also avoiding any of my questions.

What objective thing is it that you think gives meaning to existence?

What legacy?

[SpheresOfBalance]

(1)Is there conspiring? Of course there is!
(2)Do I know of any particular meetings? No!

You're still not seeing the problem with these two sentences. If you don't no of any particular meetings then how do you know there is conspiring?
We are talking of two separate instances, one of conspiracies in general in (1) above and then one that specifically suits our topic of civilization in (2) above.

You're also avoiding any of my questions. No I am not! I just refuse to move on until what we have already covered is fully understood, by both parties.

What objective thing is it that you think gives meaning to existence? The truth of the object, in and of itself!

What legacy? Mankinds legacy!

[Arising_uk]

We are talking of two separate instances, one of conspiracies in general in (1) above and then one that specifically suits our topic of civilization in (2) above.

What are you talking about? can you give me an example of one of these general conspiracies?

The truth of the object, in and of itself!

Which object? Existence? What truth do you think that gives?

Mankinds legacy!

Huh!? Still not sure what legacy you mean but who would you be leaving it too?

[SpheresOfBalance]

We are talking of two separate instances, one of conspiracies in general in (1) above and then one that specifically suits our topic of civilization in (2) above.

What are you talking about? can you give me an example of one of these general conspiracies?
You got to be kidding me!
Sure, the assassination conspiracy of the US president Abraham Lincoln.

The truth of the object, in and of itself!

Which object? All objects in nature.
Existence? What truth do you think that gives?

Mankinds legacy!

Huh!? Still not sure what legacy you mean
Somehow that, doesn't surprise me!
but who would you be leaving it too?

[Arising_uk]

You got to be kidding me!
Sure, the assassination conspiracy of the US president Abraham Lincoln.

What was general about that? How do you know this was a conspiracy and not just the act of a lone confederate sympathizer?

All objects in nature.

What truth do you think that gives?

Somehow that, doesn't surprise me!

Still not hearing any answers? No surprise there.

[SpheresOfBalance]

You got to be kidding me!
Sure, the assassination conspiracy of the US president Abraham Lincoln.

What was general about that? How do you know this was a conspiracy and not just the act of a lone confederate sympathizer?

Not going to play this game, I know!

All objects in nature.

What truth do you think that gives?
The truth of life.

Somehow that, doesn't surprise me!

Still not hearing any answers? No surprise there.

You know you are useless with your bait and switch mentality, right? You tend to give the impression that you say, hear and mean nothing, and only exist here too argue; such a foolish position.

[Arising_uk]

Not going to play this game, I know!

You talk in your head to much and assume stuff. Try answering some questions and we might get somewhere.

The truth of life.

Which is?

You know you are useless with your bait and switch mentality, right? You tend to give the impression that you say, hear and mean nothing, and only exist here too argue; such a foolish position.

You're an idiot if you think you can write upon a philosophy forum as tho' its a general chat room. Try answering some questions that others ask of your thoughts for once and stop thinking of it as some kind of trap. We both may learn something