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accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2026 8:41 pm What could be more racist than telling particular groups of people that they are inherently inferior by birth and need special help in order to achieve anything?

Friends, enemies … enemies! Please, there has been far too much civility lately and it is bad for polemics. Remember who you are and where you are, please!

We have another knotty topic to divulge here. Remember, this is a thread dealing on The Culture Wars and — how shall I put it? — the romanticism of the deranged “woke” vs the realism of the grounded realistic. I will try to explain why I put it like this.

We live in a world constructed by a dominating race of men. I refer, naturally, to the Age of Discovery and the Vasco da Gama era:

Da Gama's first voyage (1497–1499) was the first to link Europe and Asia using an ocean route that rounded the southern tip of Africa, although he was not the first Portuguese mariner to round the Cape. This route allowed the Portuguese to avoid sailing across the highly disputed Mediterranean Sea and traversing the dangerous Arabian Peninsula. A milestone in Portuguese maritime exploration, this voyage marked the beginning of a sea-based phase of international trade and an age of global imperialism. The Portuguese later established a long-lasting colonial empire along the route from Africa to Asia. The outward and return voyages constituted the longest known ocean voyages ever completed.

Unfortunately for the dreamy idealists and their tendency to conceive of and establish as “absolutely true” various falsehoods, the Vasco Da Gama era was determined by and dominated by northern European men generally always with strains of “Nordic” blood. These were (are I suppose) a conquering peoples. A war-making peoples but also creative and constructive in the ‘worlds’ they built. So there you have it: the impetus of the White Race. Within a certain strain of “racialist theory” (Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard for example) Europe is comprised of three ‘strains’: Mediterranean, Alpine and Nordic. (This is laid out in Grant’s The Passing of the Great Race (1916) and this analysis of both history and physiology was a dominant current if “accepted thought” at the time.)

This was, naturally, a time when America defined itself as a “White” country and Europe-derived. You must understand how (and why) this “structure of identity” functioned within the culture. You must also understand why and how this “identity” was systematically undermined in the years following the end of WWll.

Let me now make a clarifying but poignant statement sure to cause Old Flash to suffer conniptions: Each “race” on the planet is distinct from every other. Whew! I said it! And the Dome of Heaven has not collapsed on me! I shall proceed …

I might refer to Tocqueville’s exposition on The Three Races of North America as a point of departure: White, Red and Black.

What is my point here? Every race of men, and for complex reasons, develops itself along lines peculiar to itself. A Pygmy is non-comparable to a Nordic Viking. I guess you could interpret this realism as an “evil intrusion of a false physiognomy” or a “false anthropology”, or too (from a realist’s perspective) as a “tragedy of terrestrial life” or what-have-you.

But I simply say that to understand our present, you have to back-track through intellectual and social currents that involve “definition and understanding” and to see, with real clarity, the issue, the fact, of “transvaluation of values”.

Am I being clear enough? Who is that man who “tells others” what they in fact are? Who sees clearly enough, without interposed perceptual lenses determined by ideology, who they are or who they are not? In this sense “the scientist” does this, no? If I say that “a Pygmy” is not the same as a “Nordic Warrior” am I guilty of an inaccurate imposition of anthropological definition?

Anyway, my point is not really so much about “racial distinction” but more about the control of thought along Bowden’s lines: that we are taught not to see what we see. Not to ‘know what we know’ or ‘understand what we understand’.

The World of Woke is a world of fabricated, enforced notions that are enforced by politically correct ideologies.

Flash? What say you? you skinny, indoctrinated, perverted cockroach of self-defeated post-Europeanism?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2026 4:03 pm It was highly regarded in the literary department at the time.

Right. So here, and again within the context of The Culture Wars (and in my sense of The Transvaluation of Values) we must work to locate ‘the ideological operatives behind The Long Match Through the Institutions’. And we must consider Maoist tactics or, if you can go this far, Maoist praxis.

(Obviously, praxis is a hyper-relevant term to our present discussions).

Let’s turn back to our own L’il Weasel, our L’il Faggot, we know as Flash. Were he to be an educator, were he to have a role in the education of children, (I am asserting, polemically) that he would do so as a Maoist Operative.

You see? The Woke in this sense are operatives of ideological constructs involving transvalued values and transformed platforms of understanding.

The “long march through the institutions” was said to have been conceived by Rudi Deutch in 1967. You see, you set certain ideas in motion, especially when you have influence over children, and you establish a movement that operates through time. You capture “ideological training centers” and there “transvalue” established values …

Allow me to highlight Tocqueville:

If we reasoned from what passes in the world, we should almost say that the European is to the other races of mankind, what man is to the lower animals;—he makes them subservient to his use; and when he cannot subdue, he destroys them. Oppression has, at one stroke, deprived the descendants of the Africans of almost all the privileges of humanity. The negro of the United States has lost all remembrance of his country; the language which his forefathers spoke is never heard around him; he abjured their religion and forgot their customs when he ceased to belong to Africa, without acquiring any claim to European privileges. But he remains half way between the two communities; sold by the one, repulsed by the other; finding not a spot in the universe to call by the name of country, except the faint image of a home which the shelter of his master's roof affords.

My belovèd children! We must linger here for a spell and wade our way through the possibly insuperable difficulties of coming into acceptance of Reality vs Fantasy.

I, Alexis Jacobi, am your Charon and I will ferry across the Treacherous Waters of Cultural Confusion and then hang you up in the air of Intellectual Freedom to air out a bit on the further shores of Truth!

If we reasoned from what passes in the world, we should almost say that the European is to the other races of mankind, what man is to the lower animals;—he makes them subservient to his use; and when he cannot subdue, he destroys them. Oppression has, at one stroke, deprived the descendants of the Africans of almost all the privileges of humanity. The negro of the United States has lost all remembrance of his country; the language which his forefathers spoke is never heard around him; he abjured their religion and forgot their customs when he ceased to belong to Africa, without acquiring any claim to European privileges. But he remains half way between the two communities; sold by the one, repulsed by the other; finding not a spot in the universe to call by the name of country, except the faint image of a home which the shelter of his master's roof affords.

And some wonder why certain groups hate white people. And wonder why they want to dismantle the structures that white people have constructed.

All of it was done under the banner of the one true God.

phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2026 10:48 pm

OK, who could he use who by their shared characteristic would be unsuitable/disreputable in the late 20th Century.

In other words, to object to this being a story involving f....s you more or less need to be able to suggest "why not instead a story about a bunch of X's" (equally disreputable/unsuitable by their shared characteristic). Sorry but I can't immediately think of an alternative.

Hard to think of anyone really disreputable in the late 20th century ... that's an indictment of the values of the late 20th century.

Sorry if confusing you. Not that the AUDIENCE (either now or in Shakespeare's day) ncessarily sees them as disreputable/unsuited for themselves to associate with but unsuitable for a prince. They are the same class as the bulk of the audience.

And sorry, but I disagree with you about "no values in the late 20th Century". Especially on this issue. Especially depends where in the country you are. Stonewall in 1969 can be taken as the start of the demand for inclusion, VISIBLE presence. But it was from the 80's I personally remember them "coming out" in RADICAL community events. Small groups walking linked elbows to "We're here; we're queer" or "fairies and faggots and dykes, oh my"

BUT -- even your choice of describing DIFFERENT values as NO values gives the game away. You decide values other than your own to be non-values.

Shown me where I used the word 'NO'

phyllo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2026 3:24 pm And some wonder why certain groups hate white people. And wonder why they want to dismantle the structures that white people have constructed.

All of it was done under the banner of the one true God.

Well, you are certainly right in a very real sense. I wonder: Who here has depth-read Nietzsche’s Genealogy of Morals? And who has read In The Penal Colony by Kafka? It is the most amazing thing but Kafka has storified the import of Genealogy of Morals into a captivating, highly ironic didactic tale.

And what we — I may include all of us here as a sort of Addam’s Family of Dysfunctionals? — need to remember is how it cones about that the Apparatus (a tattoo machine that ‘inscribes’ truth onto the flesh of its victim) is, when in the Story the Transvaluation is completed, turned onto the prison warden by the man who was jailed.

Ressentiment — je vous dis mes enfants — est alors le sujet principe de notre âge!

Truthfully, I wonder if you-plural will benefit from my transport to that other shore (?) Oh well, the Show must go on!

Phyllo wrote:All of it was done under the banner of the one true God.

In Kafka’s story he explains the programming, as it were, behind the function of the Apparatus. Remember, the Apparatus is the conception of morality by which and for which purpose the machine of the Apparatus was constructed. That part of the Macine is called the Designer. The part of the Machine that ‘inscribes’ (the Truth into the very fabric of the flesh (of man) is called the Harrow:

har·row 1 (hăr′ō)
n.
A farm implement consisting of a heavy frame with sharp teeth or upright disks, used to break up and even off plowed ground.
tr.v. har·rowed, har·row·ing, har·rows
1. To break up and level (soil or land) with a harrow.
2. To inflict great distress or torment on.
[Middle English harwe.]

The One True God is what we can understand to be the inscribing harrow. It is like the tattooist’s needle, you see, and we have all been tattooed according to Its design. But according to Nietzsche that One True God of former morality had been replaced by a New God, and thus a new programming, a new Designer and a new Harrow. Or, perhaps the Machinery remains the same but the entire Design is now different. New & improved!

The notion of “plowing” the soil is commensurate with education or indoctrination. It is both a productive action and, oddly enough, also a torture, or really a form of punishment. Our “obedient selves” who obeyed the design of the former One True God of Ancient Morality — obeying that Ancient God was once “goodness” — were re-tortured, as it were, to receive the Will of a New One True God …

I think this is actually important to understand: the White Man put the Black Man to work “in the plantations of the White Man’s will”. This sounds terrible, right? But really, and considering again the Vasco Da Gama world, we in fact live in, are embedded in, have our existence in and gain our sustenance from, that world and system which was created by those aggressive, war-like, but also creative and productive organizational men.

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2026 3:33 pm And sorry, but I disagree with you about "no values in the late 20th Century". Especially on this issue. Especially depends where in the country you are. Stonewall in 1969 can be taken as the start of the demand for inclusion, VISIBLE presence. But it was from the 80's I personally remember them "coming out" in RADICAL community events. Small groups walking linked elbows to "We're here; we're queer" or "fairies and faggots and dykes, oh my"

It can also be seen as an irruption from within in the social body of perverted impetus that (I suggest this as potential) also moved from one activism into many different activisms, each of which is “revolutionary to our age” and with varying levels of effect.

Once the aberrant come “out of the closet” where they had been confined and restrained, they naturally move toward undermining and subverting (“queering”) on many other levels where “outmoded attitudes” are noticed.

Again, my references are to James Lindsay’s interesting, if also controversial notions on the utilization of sexuality as a tool in undermining normality.

And wonder why they want to dismantle the structures that white people have constructed.

Fight the Power!

As the rhythm's designed to bounce, what counts
Is that the rhyme's designed to fill your mind
Now that you've realized the pride's arrived
We got to pump the stuff to make you tough

From the heart, it's a start, a work of art
To revolutionize, make a change, nothing's strange
People, people, we are the same
No, we're not the same 'cause we don't know the game

What we need is awareness, we can't get careless
You say, "What is this?" My beloved, let's get down to business, mental self-defensive fitness

Bum-rush the show
You got to go for what you know
To make everybody see
In order to fight the powers that be!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2026 2:41 pm Right. So here, and again within the context of The Culture Wars (and in my sense of The Transvaluation of Values) we must work to locate ‘the ideological operatives behind The Long Match Through the Institutions’. And we must consider Maoist tactics or, if you can go this far, Maoist praxis.

(Obviously, praxis is a hyper-relevant term to our present discussions).

Let’s turn back to our own L’il Weasel, our L’il Faggot, we know as Flash. Were he to be an educator, were he to have a role in the education of children, (I am asserting, polemically) that he would do so as a Maoist Operative.

You see? The Woke in this sense are operatives of ideological constructs involving transvalued values and transformed platforms of understanding.

The “long march through the institutions” was said to have been conceived by Rudi Deutch in 1967. You see, you set certain ideas in motion, especially when you have influence over children, and you establish a movement that operates through time. You capture “ideological training centers” and there “transvalue” established values …

Ah, 'Maoist Operative'. All you Abrahamist-derived technocrats, from either team - you know the two teams you think are the only two teams - you always label as dominatrix would the 'other team's' members: Nazi/Maoist. Frame the members of the other team alien extremists, all of them. God forbid you realize how similar you all are.

None of you managed to walk before you started to run.

Left brain heuristics posing as fully human.

One way to get to the top of the heap is to fuck yourself up, chop out as much as you can. Then go and dominate. Cosa Nostra gumbahs do this in the short term version. Much harder to feel pain or notice you have no foundation if you already made yourself partially human.

So, proud of yourselves. I love the irony of calling Flash a faggot and tossing in French quotes. You'd get beaten to death by the people who toast to the same 'deities'. 'Traditional values' lol. The traditions of the two teams who think they are the only teams.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2026 5:31 pm Left brain heuristics posing as fully human.

One way to get to the top of the heap is to fuck yourself up, chop out as much as you can. Then go and dominate. Cosa Nostra gumbahs do this in the short term version. Much harder to feel pain or notice you have no foundation if you already made yourself partially human.

So, proud of yourselves. I love the irony of calling Flash a faggot and tossing in French quotes. You'd get beaten to death by the people who toast to the same 'deities'. 'Traditional values' lol. The traditions of the two teams who think they are the only teams.

What is this Doctrine that comes before my ears?! What could it portend for me, for US?! Am I not a man?! A true and Proper man! and I have a right brain too! As bright and lustrous anyone! A very developed and sensitive one I’ll have you know. I read poetry (with masculine intonation). No, no, Iwannaplato, you’ve got me pegged all wrong! And what do you want in place if French? Greek? Latin? Ebonics?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2026 2:18 pm Flash? What say you? you skinny, indoctrinated, perverted cockroach of self-defeated post-Europeanism?

You always complain about the wrong bit of what I have to say. You whine about me calling you a nazi, but you are obviously that so there's no point to it. You are more than just a nazi though, you are a pretentious nazi, a banal substandard third rate example of a faulty product. I think you should stop constantly promoting third tier pseudointellectual white supremacists like Bowden and acquire some talent for actual philosophy if you want to be less tedious one day.

So, predictably, your post contained nothing noteworthy. I don't much care what names a nazi calls me. Your efforts to present a heroic ideal of racial superiority are mere storytelling, and not even done well. It's all just so pseudiferous that I don't feel inclined to bother much today. You'll do more nazi shit tomorrow, maybe it will seem less insipid then.

The only interesting thing that has happened in this thread* has been the peculiar way you got Mike eating out of your hand by simply indulging his weakness for meandering diversions into movie trivia. I will have to try that trick on him one day, just wait till he's in full stride and then drop a contrived film reference in front of him to see if he just forgets what he was on about to stop and play with it. Have you ever tried that on Veggie? Just mid post mention anything to do with wokeness and she becomes powerless to maintain her train of thought.




* There something about how important it is for Jedi (space Samurai wizards of some sort) to be white boys, because anything else would "destroy" them, even though the greatest of the space Samurai was a 3 foot tall green dumpling with a speech impediment.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2026 5:31 pm Ah, 'Maoist Operative'. All you Abrahamist-derived technocrats

Sorry but that dude is no technocrat, he's a populist with pretensions.