UK to lower voting age to 16

[phyllo]

US passport $165

[phyllo]

Umm...exactly what is the "cost" of getting an ID that absolutely everybody can easily get -- and most people already have? For example, what American citizen doesn't have a driver's license, or a SIN card, or a birth certificate? And what is the "cost" of signing for your vote?

I just can't see what you're talking about, at all. But you must have something in mind, because you called it a "cost." What is this "cost"?

IC doesn't even know what changes the Save act requires.

Well, you said it mandates voter ID.

And I pointed out that that would be fine. And you agreed, since, you said, there isn't anybody who can't do it.

So what's the problem?

This isn't rocket science: if voter ID should hurt somebody, you should be able to say who that person is.

You are trolling.

[Immanuel Can]

Thanks for confirming that I am the problem when I suggest that there is a problem with voter suppression.

Your paraphrase is once again incorrect. Look back, and you'll find that at no point have I done this.

You're not the problem: the problem is the people who float these kinds of think conspiracy-theories. But they know what they're doing. They just think people are not smart enough to catch them. Now you and I have, and that shows us smarter than then hoped.

Thanks for confirming that I am imagining things.

You were, perhaps, believing people who should not be believed. But you were not imagining them lying. They were.

That wasn't a paraphrase of what you wrote.

You won't find that you can quote anything like that. And if it wasn't an attempt to paraphrase, then that would leave only two options: either you simply misunderstood, completely...or pretended to, for whatever reason you might have for conscious misrepresentation.

That's not mine to decide. But it's one of those, obviously. The one thing nobody believes is that voter ID is any kind of problem to an honest, citizen voter of any kind.

[Immanuel Can]

US passport $165

Primary Acceptable IDs for SAVE Verification

Permanent Resident Card (Form I-551, often called a Green Card).
Employment Authorization Document (Form I-766, or Work Permit).
Foreign Passport (unexpired).
Arrival/Departure Record (Form I-94).
Unexpired Driver’s License or state-issued photo ID.
Certificate of Naturalization or Certificate of Citizenship.
Refugee Travel Document.

Key Requirements for Validity

Unexpired: The document must not be expired.
Original: Digital images or photocopies are generally not accepted; the original physical document is required.
Matches Application: The name and date of birth on the ID must match the information provided in the immigration application.

If a photo ID is not available, SAVE may accept a combination of other documents, such as a birth certificate paired with a social security card, depending on the specific agency requirements.

Source: the ID Help Me Center of the Federal Gov't of the US.

Did you not know this? Or were you just deliberately trying to deceive people into believing that a $165 passport was the only acceptable ID?

[phyllo]

The one thing nobody believes is that voter ID is any kind of problem to an honest, citizen voter of any kind.

That's why a number of organizations are bringing attention to the problems of the SAVE act ... because there are no problems with it .

[Immanuel Can]

...the "cost imposed"...

Umm...exactly what is the "cost" of getting an ID that absolutely everybody can easily get -- and most people already have? For example, what American citizen doesn't have a driver's license, or a SIN card, or a birth certificate? And what is the "cost" of signing for your vote?

I just can't see what you're talking about, at all. But you must have something in mind, because you called it a "cost." What is this "cost"?

IC, do REALLY live in some state where a driver's license is issued to you for no fee?

I'm not a US citizen.

Primary Acceptable IDs for SAVE Verification

Permanent Resident Card (Form I-551, often called a Green Card).
Employment Authorization Document (Form I-766, or Work Permit).
Foreign Passport (unexpired).
Arrival/Departure Record (Form I-94).
Unexpired Driver’s License or state-issued photo ID.
Certificate of Naturalization or Certificate of Citizenship.
Refugee Travel Document.

Key Requirements for Validity

Unexpired: The document must not be expired.
Original: Digital images or photocopies are generally not accepted; the original physical document is required.
Matches Application: The name and date of birth on the ID must match the information provided in the immigration application.

If a photo ID is not available, SAVE may accept a combination of other documents, such as a birth certificate paired with a social security card, depending on the specific agency requirements.

US Gov't ID Help site.

[Immanuel Can]

The one thing nobody believes is that voter ID is any kind of problem to an honest, citizen voter of any kind.

That's why a number of organizations are bringing attention to the problems of the SAVE act ... because there are no problems with it .

Funnier still, the Dems think we'll be too stupid to see through the tactic. They're recent hysterics are really pretty transparent.

[phyllo]

Did you not know this? Or were you just deliberately trying to deceive people into believing that a $165 passport was the only acceptable ID?

Gotta be trolling because there is no other reasonable explanation for this.

[Immanuel Can]

Did you not know this? Or were you just deliberately trying to deceive people into believing that a $165 passport was the only acceptable ID?

Gotta be trolling because there is no other reasonable explanation for this.

Well, the SAVE info is right in front of your face. That's hardly "trolling." And weren't you the one complaining I wasn't referring to the SAVE Act? It seems to me I remember it was...

[phyllo]

Foreign Passport (unexpired).

For voting in the US???

[phyllo]

Permanent Resident Card (Form I-551, often called a Green Card).

Non-citizens, including permanent legal residents, cannot vote in federal, state, and most local elections.

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

[Immanuel Can]

Foreign Passport (unexpired).

For voting in the US???

Apparently. So it would seem they're not even blocking foreign citizens who are legal. But I agree with you that that seems too much latitude. Maybe you want to talk to your government about tightening that up. Or maybe there's an explanation you and I are not thinking of.

Either way, it's an extremely generous provision for the having of ID. Nobody's going to be hurt by all this, and no reasonable constiutency is even at threat. So what's the problem?

[phyllo]

Foreign Passport (unexpired).

For voting in the US???

Apparently. So it would seem they're not even blocking foreign citizens who are legal. But I agree with you that that seems too much latitude. Maybe you want to talk to your government about tightening that up. Or maybe there's an explanation you and I are not thinking of.

Either way, it's an extremely generous provision for the having of ID. Nobody's going to be hurt by all this, and no reasonable constiutency is even at threat. So what's the problem?

Since you didn't actually provide a link to where you got that, it's difficult to verify if what you posted is correct.

But it looks like bullshit.

[Immanuel Can]

For voting in the US???

Apparently. So it would seem they're not even blocking foreign citizens who are legal. But I agree with you that that seems too much latitude. Maybe you want to talk to your government about tightening that up. Or maybe there's an explanation you and I are not thinking of.

Either way, it's an extremely generous provision for the having of ID. Nobody's going to be hurt by all this, and no reasonable constiutency is even at threat. So what's the problem?

Since you didn't actually provide a link to where you got that, it's difficult to verify if what you posted is correct.

Site named at the bottom.

But it looks like bullshit.

Check me. You'll find it's cut-and-paste. So you can take it or leave it.

[phyllo]

Site named at the bottom.

You're too challenged to paste a link?

Okay, then.