Train journey to death

[Belinda]

I must be wrong, then.

Okay. But, now back to why do you believe, absolutely, that there are no victims of the "british" empire left alive?

Surely, for example, if some one came and stole the house you are living in, from you, and did not allow you to live in 'your home' and forced to live 'another way' that you were used to, and certainly did not want, nor deserve, then this would have a lasting dramatic and negative effect on 'your offspring', if you have any, and in 'the way' that you, and them, 'look at' and 'see' things.

Thus, the victims of what 'that one' did, back then, could continue on for centuries.

As is the case with any other empire, or polity, in history. Let's take slavery as an example. Every empire in history has practiced it, including the British Empire. But only one empire in history has ever changed its mind and done everything in its power to stamp it out across the whole world. Can you guess which one that was?

But it was not only Britain that made slavery illegal.

From ChatGPT:-

Countries and Abolition Dates
Country / Empire / Region Year(s) Action
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade
Britain 1807 / 1833 Abolition of Slave Trade Act; Slavery Abolition Act
United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery
British India 1843 Slavery abolished (poorly enforced)
Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

[Maia]

Okay. But, now back to why do you believe, absolutely, that there are no victims of the "british" empire left alive?

Surely, for example, if some one came and stole the house you are living in, from you, and did not allow you to live in 'your home' and forced to live 'another way' that you were used to, and certainly did not want, nor deserve, then this would have a lasting dramatic and negative effect on 'your offspring', if you have any, and in 'the way' that you, and them, 'look at' and 'see' things.

Thus, the victims of what 'that one' did, back then, could continue on for centuries.

As is the case with any other empire, or polity, in history. Let's take slavery as an example. Every empire in history has practiced it, including the British Empire. But only one empire in history has ever changed its mind and done everything in its power to stamp it out across the whole world. Can you guess which one that was?

But it was not only Britain that made slavery illegal.

From ChatGPT:-

Countries and Abolition Dates
Country / Empire / Region Year(s) Action
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade
Britain 1807 / 1833 Abolition of Slave Trade Act; Slavery Abolition Act
United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery
British India 1843 Slavery abolished (poorly enforced)
Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

Only the British Empire had the power to enforce the ban across the whole world. Not perfectly, but mostly. At great expense, it should be noted, and the debts incurred by the British government abolishing slavery were not fully paid off until 2015. Anyone who was a taxpayer in the UK up to that point, including myself, helped to pay for this great altruistic enterprise that changed the world.

[Belinda]

As is the case with any other empire, or polity, in history. Let's take slavery as an example. Every empire in history has practiced it, including the British Empire. But only one empire in history has ever changed its mind and done everything in its power to stamp it out across the whole world. Can you guess which one that was?

But it was not only Britain that made slavery illegal.

From ChatGPT:-

Countries and Abolition Dates
Country / Empire / Region Year(s) Action
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade
Britain 1807 / 1833 Abolition of Slave Trade Act; Slavery Abolition Act
United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery
British India 1843 Slavery abolished (poorly enforced)
Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

Only the British Empire had the power to enforce the ban across the whole world. Not perfectly, but mostly. At great expense, it should be noted, and the debts incurred by the British government abolishing slavery were not fully paid off until 2015. Anyone who was a taxpayer in the UK up to that point, including myself, helped to pay for this great altruistic enterprise that changed the world.

But the British Empire did not include Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade

United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery

Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

Only the British Empire had the power to enforce the ban across the whole world. Not perfectly, but mostly. At great expense, it should be noted, and the debts incurred by the British government abolishing slavery were not fully paid off until 2015. Anyone who was a taxpayer in the UK up to that point, including myself, helped to pay for this great altruistic enterprise that changed the world.
[/quote]
But the British Empire did not include
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade
Britain 1807 / 1833 Abolition of Slave Trade Act; Slavery Abolition Act
United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery

Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007
[/quote]

[Maia]

But it was not only Britain that made slavery illegal.

From ChatGPT:-

Countries and Abolition Dates
Country / Empire / Region Year(s) Action
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade
Britain 1807 / 1833 Abolition of Slave Trade Act; Slavery Abolition Act
United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery
British India 1843 Slavery abolished (poorly enforced)
Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

Only the British Empire had the power to enforce the ban across the whole world. Not perfectly, but mostly. At great expense, it should be noted, and the debts incurred by the British government abolishing slavery were not fully paid off until 2015. Anyone who was a taxpayer in the UK up to that point, including myself, helped to pay for this great altruistic enterprise that changed the world.

But the British Empire did not include Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade

United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery

Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

Only the British Empire had the power to enforce the ban across the whole world. Not perfectly, but mostly. At great expense, it should be noted, and the debts incurred by the British government abolishing slavery were not fully paid off until 2015. Anyone who was a taxpayer in the UK up to that point, including myself, helped to pay for this great altruistic enterprise that changed the world.

But the British Empire did not include
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade
Britain 1807 / 1833 Abolition of Slave Trade Act; Slavery Abolition Act
United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery

Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007
[/quote]
[/quote]

The British Empire controlled the world's seas, and was therefore able to suppress the slave trade across the world. More or less, anyway, though no such undertaking could be perfect. No other power in history, before or since, has had the ability to do that. Individual states banning slavery, though important, was secondary to the global trade.

[Belinda]

Only the British Empire had the power to enforce the ban across the whole world. Not perfectly, but mostly. At great expense, it should be noted, and the debts incurred by the British government abolishing slavery were not fully paid off until 2015. Anyone who was a taxpayer in the UK up to that point, including myself, helped to pay for this great altruistic enterprise that changed the world.

But the British Empire did not include Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade

United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery

Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

Only the British Empire had the power to enforce the ban across the whole world. Not perfectly, but mostly. At great expense, it should be noted, and the debts incurred by the British government abolishing slavery were not fully paid off until 2015. Anyone who was a taxpayer in the UK up to that point, including myself, helped to pay for this great altruistic enterprise that changed the world.

But the British Empire did not include
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade
Britain 1807 / 1833 Abolition of Slave Trade Act; Slavery Abolition Act
United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery

Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

[/quote]

The British Empire controlled the world's seas, and was therefore able to suppress the slave trade across the world. More or less, anyway, though no such undertaking could be perfect. No other power in history, before or since, has had the ability to do that. Individual states banning slavery, though important, was secondary to the global trade.
[/quote]

The British Empire , far from diminishing the slave trade, helped to ensure that Britain was a key player in the trade. Without the British market for cotton and sugar the transAtlantic slave owners could not have profited from slave workers.

[Maia]

But the British Empire did not include Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade

United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery

Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

Only the British Empire had the power to enforce the ban across the whole world. Not perfectly, but mostly. At great expense, it should be noted, and the debts incurred by the British government abolishing slavery were not fully paid off until 2015. Anyone who was a taxpayer in the UK up to that point, including myself, helped to pay for this great altruistic enterprise that changed the world.

But the British Empire did not include
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Haiti 1804 Abolished slavery via successful revolution (first Black republic)
Denmark–Norway 1803 First European state to ban the slave trade
Britain 1807 / 1833 Abolition of Slave Trade Act; Slavery Abolition Act
United States 1808 / 1865 Trade banned; slavery ended by 13th Amendment
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Greece 1822 Banned slavery in its first constitution
Central American Republics 1824–1829 Abolition enacted regionally
Bolivia 1831 Abolished slavery

Tunisia 1846 First Muslim-majority country to outlaw slavery
Sweden 1847 Abolished slavery
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Netherlands 1863 Abolished slavery in colonies
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
Brazil 1888 Last in the Americas (Lei Áurea)
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Iran (Persia) 1929 Abolition decree
Ethiopia 1942 Official abolition by Haile Selassie
Saudi Arabia 1962 Official abolition under King Faisal
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

The British Empire controlled the world's seas, and was therefore able to suppress the slave trade across the world. More or less, anyway, though no such undertaking could be perfect. No other power in history, before or since, has had the ability to do that. Individual states banning slavery, though important, was secondary to the global trade.
[/quote]

The British Empire , far from diminishing the slave trade, helped to ensure that Britain was a key player in the trade. Without the British market for cotton and sugar the transAtlantic slave owners could not have profited from slave workers.
[/quote]

Please check your historical facts before posting things like that. As I said before, all empires, including the British Empire, indulged in slavery, but the British Empire is the only one that later changed its mind and tried to stamp it out across the world.

[Belinda]

Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Mauritania 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

The British Empire controlled the world's seas, and was therefore able to suppress the slave trade across the world. More or less, anyway, though no such undertaking could be perfect. No other power in history, before or since, has had the ability to do that. Individual states banning slavery, though important, was secondary to the global trade.

The British Empire , far from diminishing the slave trade, helped to ensure that Britain was a key player in the trade. Without the British market for cotton and sugar the transAtlantic slave owners could not have profited from slave workers.

Please check your historical facts before posting things like that. As I said before, all empires, including the British Empire, indulged in slavery, but the British Empire is the only one that later changed its mind and tried to stamp it out across the world.
[/quote]

The British Empire controlled the world's seas, and was therefore able to suppress the slave trade across the world. More or less, anyway, though no such undertaking could be perfect. No other power in history, before or since, has had the ability to do that. Individual states banning slavery, though important, was secondary to the global trade.
[/quote]

The British Empire , far from diminishing the slave trade, helped to ensure that Britain was a key player in the trade. Without the British market for cotton and sugar the transAtlantic slave owners could not have profited from slave workers.
[/quote]

Please check your historical facts before posting things like that. As I said before, all empires, including the British Empire, indulged in slavery, but the British Empire is the only one that later changed its mind and tried to stamp it out across the world.
[/quote]


These too were empires that abolished slavery:

Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Mauritania, part of French empire 1904, 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007

[Maia]

The British Empire controlled the world's seas, and was therefore able to suppress the slave trade across the world. More or less, anyway, though no such undertaking could be perfect. No other power in history, before or since, has had the ability to do that. Individual states banning slavery, though important, was secondary to the global trade.

The British Empire , far from diminishing the slave trade, helped to ensure that Britain was a key player in the trade. Without the British market for cotton and sugar the transAtlantic slave owners could not have profited from slave workers.

Please check your historical facts before posting things like that. As I said before, all empires, including the British Empire, indulged in slavery, but the British Empire is the only one that later changed its mind and tried to stamp it out across the world.

The British Empire controlled the world's seas, and was therefore able to suppress the slave trade across the world. More or less, anyway, though no such undertaking could be perfect. No other power in history, before or since, has had the ability to do that. Individual states banning slavery, though important, was secondary to the global trade.
[/quote]

The British Empire , far from diminishing the slave trade, helped to ensure that Britain was a key player in the trade. Without the British market for cotton and sugar the transAtlantic slave owners could not have profited from slave workers.
[/quote]

Please check your historical facts before posting things like that. As I said before, all empires, including the British Empire, indulged in slavery, but the British Empire is the only one that later changed its mind and tried to stamp it out across the world.
[/quote]


These too were empires that abolished slavery:

Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848
Mexico 1829 Abolished slavery under Vicente Guerrero
Chile 1823 Complete abolition
Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador) 1821 Gradual abolition law
Ottoman Empire 1847–1882 Series of decrees banning slave trade and slavery
Cuba (Spanish Empire) 1886 Final abolition under Spain
China (Qing Empire) 1906 Imperial edict banning slavery
Mauritania, part of French empire 1904, 1981 / 2007 Legal abolition; criminalized in 2007
[/quote]

None of those controlled the world's oceans.

[Phil8659]

None of those controlled the world's oceans.

Perhaps the sentence is overly liberal. I have never known any person, nation, or national collective, etc., to control themselves, much less the oceans. Conversing with flattery which is way over the top, perhaps is a grammatical style. A dumpster diver does not control the trash.

Perhaps I am just aware of my own stupidity more than most, because I keep on insisting that "Know yourself." is just as important today, and just as unaccomplished today, as it has been perhaps since the dawn of man.

We can do nothing more than process information. Intelligibly and perceptibly, which at the least means, a factually correct standard of grammar recognized by the individuals of a species. In short that standard, an intelligible, is exactly what the entire Bible is all about. A time in human history when mankind finally learns judgment.

I am want to turn the title of this thread into a metaphor, describing a dystopian human outcome.

[RickLewis]

But the British Empire did not include
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848

A very interesting list. But note in comparison to Portugal, Britain never had legal slavery "at home" because Parliament never passed a law to legalise it. This was confirmed in the Somerset case in 1772. From that point on, any slave brought to the UK was automatically free as soon as they stepped onto British soil.

After Parliament banned the slave trade in 1807, in created the West Africa squadron of the Royal Navy the following year, for the purpose of stopping other countries from continuing the Atlantic slave trade. For over 50 years it intercepted ships of all countries suspected of carrying slaves. Captives freed from such ships were returned to Africa, and captains of such ships were heavily fined.

In addition, from that point on the British Empire made it a condition of many trade treaties that the other parties to the treaty should also outlaw the slave trade. Presumably that contributed to abolition in some of the countries on your list, though I don't have details.

Yes, certainly this came after about two hundred years of Britain profiting massively from the most evil trade on earth, but some credit where it is due.

[Belinda]

But the British Empire did not include
Portugal 1761 / 1869 Ended slavery in Europe (1761); colonies (1869)
France 1794 / 1848 Abolished during Revolution; re-abolished permanently in 1848

A very interesting list. But note in comparison to Portugal, Britain never had legal slavery "at home" because Parliament never passed a law to legalise it. This was confirmed in the Somerset case in 1772. From that point on, any slave brought to the UK was automatically free as soon as they stepped onto British soil.

After Parliament banned the slave trade in 1807, in created the West Africa squadron of the Royal Navy the following year, for the purpose of stopping other countries from continuing the Atlantic slave trade. For over 50 years it intercepted ships of all countries suspected of carrying slaves. Captives freed from such ships were returned to Africa, and captains of such ships were heavily fined.

In addition, from that point on the British Empire made it a condition of many trade treaties that the other parties to the treaty should also outlaw the slave trade. Presumably that contributed to abolition in some of the countries on your list, though I don't have details.

Yes, certainly this came after about two hundred years of Britain profiting massively from the most evil trade on earth, but some credit where it is due.

Rick, I stand corrected concerning your further evidence.

When one takes an overall view of history one is either an optimist or a pessimist. Each historiographer is either one or the other; such is human nature when interpretation of breadth of historical evidence is concerned.

ChatGPT disagrees with me:-

“When constructing grand narratives about human history as a whole, people tend to fall into broadly optimistic or broadly pessimistic interpretations. But historians working with specific evidence often avoid such totalizing judgments.”

“Whether the British Empire is a matter of specific evidence or a grand narrative depends entirely on how it is approached: as a collection of concrete, empirically grounded histories, or as an overarching story with a moral or philosophical arc. In that sense, it is both.” (Chat)

I have no objection to Maia's optimistic view of the British Empire. My objection rests on her misinformation.