How is life?

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Which is better?

It is better to live than never to have been born.
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It would have been better never to have been born than to live.
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38%
I don't know.
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Total votes: 8

Walker
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Re: How is life?

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Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:03 pm
Walker wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 2:10 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 12:38 pm Ask yourself Gary, would you rather…live for 100 years or less with the inescapable company of your own “thoughts”

Or to have Never been born?
The capacity to still thoughts removes their power.

Meditation puts a perspective on thoughts
so that thoughts loosen their control
then lose their control.
That is partially true. Thoughts have zero power. It’s how we react to them that counts. I know my thoughts have no control over me. I can intentionally Will myself to act on a thought or not.

But there’s no eliminating thoughts permanently from our awareness is there. They are still going to be with you even during silent meditation. Ignoring them is fine, they cannot kill you, but they can agitate the fuck out of you, which can be very annoying.
We all carry our life’s experiences called baggage around with us all the time, sometimes it’s positive thoughts,and sometimes it’s really negative or traumatic thoughts. We cannot just erase our memories away permanently.
Human nature is not like the film “Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind” is it?

A still mind is like a still wind. Have you ever experienced a totally thought-free awareness Walker?

I haven’t.
Walk into an old city and look around. Most everything you perceive was first a thought.

Walk into a very new, planned city and look around. Same thing, because after awhile the perception of sky and sand just becomes background wallpaper of the world. Most everything you perceive was first a high-ordered thought, given the architecture and Lamborghini carriages.

Everyone who votes for the power of thought raise your hand.
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Re: How is life?

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Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:03 pm
Absolutely. The first time was over 50 years ago.

It gives a personal, pragmatic, empirical, non-ecumenical meaning to “born again,” (taking nothing away from the ecumenical). Every time. After awhile, it's in the bones every day, and the boat can be left on the shore.
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Re: How is life?

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Well I’d rather never have been born. That’s my answer.

But since nobody has made consciousness I guess I’m just stuck with myself forever.

I’ll just act dead although I live. That’s kind of a sweet freedom in and of itself. I suppose.
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Re: How is life?

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Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:19 pm Well I’d rather never have been born. That’s my answer.

But since nobody has made consciousness I guess I’m just stuck with myself forever.

I’ll just act dead although I live. That’s kind of a sweet freedom in and of itself. I suppose.
If you figure you've got seven years left, it's worth the effort, if one feels the need.

If you have to figure out if you've got seven years left, then the way I figure it, you should be preparing consciousness for the final moment, for each moment is connected to the next and into the future.
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Re: How is life?

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Walker wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:24 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:19 pm Well I’d rather never have been born. That’s my answer.

But since nobody has made consciousness I guess I’m just stuck with myself forever.

I’ll just act dead although I live. That’s kind of a sweet freedom in and of itself. I suppose.
If you figure you've got seven years left, it's worth the effort, if one feels the need.

If you have to figure out if you've got seven years left, then the way I figure it, you should be preparing consciousness for the final moment, for each moment is connected to the next and into the future.
I agree. I’m preparing every moment. I’m ready. I’m finally at peace. It’s bliss.
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Re: How is life?

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Walker wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:12 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:03 pm
Absolutely. The first time was over 50 years ago.

It gives a personal, pragmatic, empirical, non-ecumenical meaning to “born again,” (taking nothing away from the ecumenical). Every time. After awhile, it's in the bones every day, and the boat can be left on the shore.
Nice! 🙏👍
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Re: How is life?

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Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:19 pm Well I’d rather never have been born. That’s my answer.
That path has been mapped.

I Hated The Day I Was Born
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjD5wn1YnsQ
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Re: How is life?

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Walker wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:40 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:19 pm Well I’d rather never have been born. That’s my answer.
That path has been mapped.

I Hated The Day I Was Born
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjD5wn1YnsQ
That’s a beautiful song. Thanks for that. 😊

I suppose forgetting myself and just become the whole universe is a nice thought. I love everything but I don’t always like everything. That’s me in a nutshell.
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Re: How is life?

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Walker wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 2:10 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 12:38 pm Ask yourself Gary, would you rather…live for 100 years or less with the inescapable company of your own “thoughts”

Or to have Never been born?
The capacity to still thoughts removes their power.

Meditation puts a perspective on thoughts
so that thoughts loosen their control
then lose their control.
Speaking from experience, my usual response is to tell intrusive thoughts to foxtrot oscar. But they are often relentless, so once I remember, whilst drifting along the benthic ooze in the stirred up shitstorm of guilt and shame, and I've now got it as a reflex; I welcome then in. Apologize. Offer them a seat. ... I've also sung them. Combined here in a fine '57 toon https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VAMGZC, but my version comes out like a postmodern Broadway musical, clinical, detached, unsparing, with that nasal Brooklyn quality, in the shower. And even walking down the Roman road I live on. I'm also blessed with superficiality and Stendhal's syndrome, so I'm easily distracted by plants, the sky, architecture.

Can you show us what you do? Not the fortune cookie aphorism.
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