Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?

[Pistolero]

What do a few dozen Palestinian children a month, matter?
It's all collateral damage.
Multiply it by 12, ....then by 70.....Make it so miserable they will cleanse themselves out of there.

What if Hitler had offered Madagascar to the Jews?

[Perspective]

Ethnic cleansing using time to corneal its brutality.
When you boil a frog by gradually increasing the heat, it will not protest.
What if Hitler has stretched out his ethnic cleansing over a period of ten years....claiming that his god had told him to do it.

How did Trump put it?
"Its terrible what is happening in Gaza...who can live like that..." but he never said who or why.
As if some mysterious internationalist power was involved, rubbing its hands at the thought of 'prime real estate".

How may nations can claim a territory if they go back 3 thousand years?

Who are the Semites in the Levant?
Are not Arabs Semites?
Are the Israelites Semites?
Not all Jews are Semites; not all Semites are Jews.
Did God bequeath them that territory?
Whose god and in what text, written by whom?

Good points.
Religion is being used as a weapon of global political influence. I think it was Aristotle who said Judaism is just Hinduism rewrapped. Chinese language is older than Hebrew & some characters suggest some biblical stories originate in China. And of course lots of Egyptian stuff, ie Is Ra El.

Judaism asserts they are the special chosen ones & all else must be slaves &/or die. But who says so? They do!

[Gary Childress]

Ethnic cleansing using time to corneal its brutality.
When you boil a frog by gradually increasing the heat, it will not protest.
What if Hitler has stretched out his ethnic cleansing over a period of ten years....claiming that his god had told him to do it.

How did Trump put it?
"Its terrible what is happening in Gaza...who can live like that..." but he never said who or why.
As if some mysterious internationalist power was involved, rubbing its hands at the thought of 'prime real estate".

How may nations can claim a territory if they go back 3 thousand years?

Who are the Semites in the Levant?
Are not Arabs Semites?
Are the Israelites Semites?
Not all Jews are Semites; not all Semites are Jews.
Did God bequeath them that territory?
Whose god and in what text, written by whom?

Good points.
Religion is being used as a weapon of global political influence. I think it was Aristotle who said Judaism is just Hinduism rewrapped. Chinese language is older than Hebrew & some characters suggest some biblical stories originate in China. And of course lots of Egyptian stuff, ie Is Ra El.

Judaism asserts they are the special chosen ones & all else must be slaves &/or die. But who says so? They do!

Isn't Judaism more or less founded on the principle of do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you? Like some other religions around us, Judaism has a long history, and my guess would be that there are perhaps almost as many interpretations of Judaism as there are individuals who profess to be Jews. As with many other religions, there are probably versions of Judaism that depart more or less from what is spiritually best or ideal. As with most religions, ultimately, doesn't it come down to the quality or integrity of the individual who adheres to Judaism?

In other words, there are probably Jews who are perhaps not the kind of people others want to be around, and there are Jews who perhaps are. That seems to be the case with most religions. Most religions that have stood the test of time seem to have some underlying logic or coherence to them that comes out when you sift through all the noise--a logic or coherence that has allowed them to flourish. It seems a mistake to me to lump all adherents of a religion into a single caricature. As with all groupings of people, there are the good apples and the bad apples, and there are those who may change from one to the other in their own lifetime. The bad apples are the ones who do unthinkable evil in the name of their religion, and the good ones are the ones who manage to balance their lives in a way that makes them shine to others.

[Perspective]

Ethnic cleansing using time to corneal its brutality.
When you boil a frog by gradually increasing the heat, it will not protest.
What if Hitler has stretched out his ethnic cleansing over a period of ten years....claiming that his god had told him to do it.

How did Trump put it?
"Its terrible what is happening in Gaza...who can live like that..." but he never said who or why.
As if some mysterious internationalist power was involved, rubbing its hands at the thought of 'prime real estate".

How may nations can claim a territory if they go back 3 thousand years?

Who are the Semites in the Levant?
Are not Arabs Semites?
Are the Israelites Semites?
Not all Jews are Semites; not all Semites are Jews.
Did God bequeath them that territory?
Whose god and in what text, written by whom?

Good points.
Religion is being used as a weapon of global political influence. I think it was Aristotle who said Judaism is just Hinduism rewrapped. Chinese language is older than Hebrew & some characters suggest some biblical stories originate in China. And of course lots of Egyptian stuff, ie Is Ra El.

Judaism asserts they are the special chosen ones & all else must be slaves &/or die. But who says so? They do!

Isn't Judaism more or less founded on the principle of do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you? Like some other religions around us, Judaism has a long history, and my guess would be that there are perhaps almost as many interpretations of Judaism as there are individuals who profess to be Jews. As with many other religions, there are probably versions of Judaism that depart more or less from what is spiritually best or ideal. As with most religions, ultimately, doesn't it come down to the quality or integrity of the individual who adheres to Judaism?

In other words, there are probably Jews who are perhaps not the kind of people others want to be around, and there are Jews who perhaps are. That seems to be the case with most religions. Most religions that have stood the test of time seem to have some underlying logic or coherence to them that comes out when you sift through all the noise--a logic or coherence that has allowed them to flourish. It seems a mistake to me to lump all adherents of a religion into a single caricature. As with all groupings of people, there are the good apples and the bad apples, and there are those who may change from one to the other in their own lifetime. The bad apples are the ones who do unthinkable evil in the name of their religion, and the good ones are the ones who manage to balance their lives in a way that makes them shine to others.

Thank you for your reply.

It’s true that in each group are good & bad apples. Still, when doctrine of a religion is regularly read or memorized & that doctrine teaches racism, or valuing others as inferior - it is not about the individuals but about the religion.

In the Talmud it says,

• “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” -Soferim 15

And more recently was published a book, “How To Kill Goyim and Influence People.”

Goyim are most people in the world - all non-Jews.

[Gary Childress]

Good points.
Religion is being used as a weapon of global political influence. I think it was Aristotle who said Judaism is just Hinduism rewrapped. Chinese language is older than Hebrew & some characters suggest some biblical stories originate in China. And of course lots of Egyptian stuff, ie Is Ra El.

Judaism asserts they are the special chosen ones & all else must be slaves &/or die. But who says so? They do!

Isn't Judaism more or less founded on the principle of do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you? Like some other religions around us, Judaism has a long history, and my guess would be that there are perhaps almost as many interpretations of Judaism as there are individuals who profess to be Jews. As with many other religions, there are probably versions of Judaism that depart more or less from what is spiritually best or ideal. As with most religions, ultimately, doesn't it come down to the quality or integrity of the individual who adheres to Judaism?

In other words, there are probably Jews who are perhaps not the kind of people others want to be around, and there are Jews who perhaps are. That seems to be the case with most religions. Most religions that have stood the test of time seem to have some underlying logic or coherence to them that comes out when you sift through all the noise--a logic or coherence that has allowed them to flourish. It seems a mistake to me to lump all adherents of a religion into a single caricature. As with all groupings of people, there are the good apples and the bad apples, and there are those who may change from one to the other in their own lifetime. The bad apples are the ones who do unthinkable evil in the name of their religion, and the good ones are the ones who manage to balance their lives in a way that makes them shine to others.

Thank you for your reply.

It’s true that in each group are good & bad apples. Still, when doctrine of a religion is regularly read or memorized & that doctrine teaches racism, or valuing others as inferior - it is not about the individuals but about the religion.

In the Talmud it says,

• “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” -Soferim 15

And more recently was published a book, “How To Kill Goyim and Influence People.”

You're welcome.

Bad animus seems to find its way into just about every religion. After all, it's human beings who are writing the words in all our religious texts. Some texts are more rational or (perhaps) spiritual than others. And I don't think whoever wrote that book on "How to kill" is someone anyone ought to look to for spiritual advice.

It's difficult not to return malice with malice. It makes me angry just to know there are people out there who will write stuff like that, but if I get angry, then I start writing stuff like that too. It's a death spiral. It's better to pull out of it instead of letting it take hold of our lives. Word to the wise...

[Pistolero]

Ethnic cleansing using time to corneal its brutality.
When you boil a frog by gradually increasing the heat, it will not protest.
What if Hitler has stretched out his ethnic cleansing over a period of ten years....claiming that his god had told him to do it.

How did Trump put it?
"Its terrible what is happening in Gaza...who can live like that..." but he never said who or why.
As if some mysterious internationalist power was involved, rubbing its hands at the thought of 'prime real estate".

How may nations can claim a territory if they go back 3 thousand years?

Who are the Semites in the Levant?
Are not Arabs Semites?
Are the Israelites Semites?
Not all Jews are Semites; not all Semites are Jews.
Did God bequeath them that territory?
Whose god and in what text, written by whom?

Good points.
Religion is being used as a weapon of global political influence. I think it was Aristotle who said Judaism is just Hinduism rewrapped. Chinese language is older than Hebrew & some characters suggest some biblical stories originate in China. And of course lots of Egyptian stuff, ie Is Ra El.

Judaism asserts they are the special chosen ones & all else must be slaves &/or die. But who says so? They do!

Abrahamism is to Hellenism what Buddhism is to Hinduism.
A nihilistic reaction, necessitated by population pressures.


No Judaism is not like Hinduism...but more like Zoroastrianism.
It's a mix of every host it came in contact with, starting with ancient-Egyptian occultism.
It invented nothing...but the weaponization of shame & guilt. A feminine strategy.
Is Israel accused of being anti-Semitic, when ti is slaughtering Palestinians?
They are more Semite than most of the Jews living in Israel.

[Pistolero]

Nietzsche's critique of Christianity applies to both Judaism and Islam.
Judaism is the mother, who had two offspring...
A daughter, with a Greek - Christianity...and a son with an Arab, Islam.

Mother Judea is of mixed ancestry...mostly ancient-Egyptian, a bit Mesopotamian, Zoroastrian, and Greek, Platonic.
She claims to have invented ethics - the golden rule....but she's a liar. Lying is what she does best.
She's been lying for centuries, and gullible minds believe her.
All she did is weaponize ethics, converting herself into a deity....all men ought to worship.

Have you read her manuscripts?
She tells you what she thinks of you, goy.
She tells you what she plans for you, goy.
SHE tells you.....listen to her.

[Perspective]

…Mother Judea is of mixed ancestry...mostly ancient-Egyptian, a bit Mesopotamian, Zoroastrian, and Greek, Platonic.
She claims to have invented ethics - the golden rule....but she's a liar. Lying is what she does best.
She's been lying for centuries, and gullible minds believe her.
All she did is weaponize ethics, converting herself into a deity....all men ought to worship.

Interesting. There does seem to be some deception.

Ashkinazi Jews (most white “Jews “) are not real Jews - their ancestors converted in Eastern Europe. And most don’t practice Judaism - so it’s more like an elite club.

“Most immigrants arrived in Israel from Russia (30%), France (15%), the United States (14%), and Ukraine (12%)…

“Most of the immigrants coming to Israel from Russia and Ukraine in recent years do not qualify as Jewish under religious law, even if they are eligible for citizenship,” Judy Maltz noted, “To qualify for citizenship under the Law of Return, an individual must have at least one Jewish grandparent, a Jewish spouse or have undergone a conversion in a recognized Jewish community (it does not have to be an Orthodox conversion). To qualify as a Jew under religious law, an individual must have been born to a Jewish mother or have undergone an Orthodox conversion by rabbis recognized by Israel’s Chief Rabbinate.”

[Perspective]

Nietzsche's critique of Christianity applies to both Judaism and Islam.
Judaism is the mother, who had two offspring...
A daughter, with a Greek - Christianity...and a son with an Arab, Islam…

If someone were to use religion as psychological warfare, both warpings of religion would be effective, in terms of war, pillage, control etc. Saul, who significantly warped Christianity was a Jewish leader.

Christianity is the most popular religion in the world & it’s kind of funny because its own scripture denounces whatever is most popular, as the “broad way of destruction where many go.” It’s because it’s based on lies like shifting blame to an innocent scapegoat & believing human sacrifice is godly. This makes life feel temporarily easier to shift blame - but at the cost of growing up.

Islam may eventually win over Christian’s in terms of popularity & population growth. Have you heard of “Christlam”?

[Pistolero]

Religions, especially the Abrahamic triad, are methods of controlling the masses.
Metaphysics for the midwit/dimwit masses.

They evolve....like living organisms do.
They've evolved secular variants.
Americanism being a secular synthesis of Judeo-Puritanism.
A rebellion against all earthly authorities. A desire to "correct" nature, seducing the world's victims of natural injustices.

[Pistolero]

Ashkinazi Jews (most white “Jews “) are not real Jews - their ancestors converted in Eastern Europe. And most don’t practice Judaism - so it’s more like an elite club.

Yet, they identify themselves as Semites and Jews....and most are neither.
How can anyone be simultaneous a Jew and an atheist?
How can one claim to be a Semite when they have negligible, if any Semitic DNA?

In fact, most Semites are Muslim, not Jews.

Zionism is a consequence of cross-contamination.

When Hellenism came in contact with Judaism - two incompatible worldviews - they were both affected.
In the west, Christianity was born, that became Marxism and then Postmodernism. In the east Judaism splintered into three variants...

A- Orthodox Branch – original Jewry, i.e., nihilistic spiritual ideology (dogma).
It awaits the true Messiah that will finally end the world – Armageddon.
Orthodox Jews believe they have been “chosen” to facilitate the “end of times.”

B- Political Branch (Zionism) – Hellenic tribalism triggered a Semitic revival.
Returning to tribal identifiers Zionism tries to re-establishing a cthonic
relationship with the earth, i.e., the past, nature; a return to pre-Judaic Semitism.
Having lost contact with Semitic traditions, and unable to accept their primitive
superstitions, Zionism fails to entirely abandon Judaism, producing a conflict
between ideology (memotype) and latent primordial impulses (genotype).
Judaism is an ideological detachment from natural order; therefore, this
attempted reattachment, without abandoning Judaic dogma, produces
mind/body dissonance, exposed as linguistic paradoxes, viz., a] strength based
on weakness, b] ideological rejection of natural order reaffirms itself through its
rebelliousness – Israel is the consequent.

C- Cultural/Social Branch (Communism) – Hellenic cosmopolitanism, warped
by Marx’s class warfare leads to ideological Globalization.
Communism is, essentially, a secular version of Judeo-Christianity.
Abrahamism’s rejection of natural identifiers are held to be its unifying sacred
principles, substituting them with socioeconomic identifiers, i.e., nature-based
hierarchies replaced by socioeconomic hierarchies.

Zionists suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome.
They emulate the Nazis that almost exterminated them.

[jamesconroyuk]

These conversations irritate me.

Why these endless categories and division? Zionism, Jewish exceptionalism, Semitic DNA. Ashkenazi aren't 'real' jews - they're white. So are the Haredim. Wait they have more 'semitic' DNA. Wait, what does that even mean??? OMFG.

What is a "real" Jew?

"It's anyone who accepts the Torah." - Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro

I'm with him. Division is nonsense. Any other definition isn't helpful.

Judaism is a religion. It is a covenant. Simple.

God (or Hashem if you prefer) doesn't care if you're orange, green, gold or purple.

"Choose Life" - The Torah

[jamesconroyuk]

Religions, especially the Abrahamic triad, are methods of controlling the masses.
Metaphysics for the midwit/dimwit masses.

They evolve....like living organisms do.
They've evolved secular variants.
Americanism being a secular synthesis of Judeo-Puritanism.
A rebellion against all earthly authorities. A desire to "correct" nature, seducing the world's victims of natural injustices.

They evolve....like living organisms do.

Yes, they are strategies. They work. If they don't, they fade.

They represent part of Life's evolutionary dialectic. I write at length about this in a series of essays called 'The Hedge'.

[Pistolero]

They also replicate through linguistic intercourse, and are selfish, as in selfish memes....
The carrier, i.e., believer, need not know why or how, but only be willing to sacrifice himself to propagate a memes, i.e., ideology/dogma, he, most often, does not benefit from genetically.

The organism is a means for the nihilistic ideology's ends.
Like proverbial zombies.

I've written on it for over 20 years in another forum.
Genes to Memes

If the ideology compliments the propagation of the individuals genes, it is advantageous, but I've identified most of these ideologies, i.e., memes as being nihilistic....they contradict the carriers evolutionary objectives.
They are parasitical memes.
They propagate from mind to mind, semiotically and alter the mind's conceptions of reality.....through the definition of words.
Like gene-based parasite, in nature, they zombify the infected host, causing it to behave in self-destructive ways.
They lead the host towards death, and then find a new one to start the process again.

[Impenitent]

These conversations irritate me.

Why these endless categories and division? Zionism, Jewish exceptionalism, Semitic DNA. Ashkenazi aren't 'real' jews - they're white. So are the Haredim. Wait they have more 'semitic' DNA. Wait, what does that even mean??? OMFG.

What is a "real" Jew?

anyone with a savings account?

-Imp