FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 4:04 pm
Option 1: We mock VA because when he reads he makes no effort to comprehend as he goes, instead he's just thinking about himself and his own arguments. He's not alone though, quite a lot of other people do that, including Fishpi and Veggie.
Option 2: Fishpi and Veggie are both in the upside down lands of the Southern Hemisphere and stuff that should stay in their brains just sort of falls out. If we moved them nearer to the equator, things might level out and they would become competent readers.
Stop being a cockwart and point out WHERE in the OP you have defined BDM.
Section 3 paragraph one. How drunk are you?
Section 3 paragraph one....What this:
The reason why a Humean type of moral explanation explains motivation so readily is because it is compatible with the BDM model (there are other names such as BDI, BDR.): The Belief Desire model of Motivation/Reason/Intention. Basically this is just the common sense, folk-psychology view of how we are motivated to do things that we believe will match our desires.
..total bollocks - where is BDM actually defined? ..as per above I see: Motivation/Reason/Intention ---> MRI
So ATLA is FULL of SHIT (or lack of comprehension) and it goes without saying that FLASHDANGERPOO is ..also FULL OF SHIT.
..so before FDP, you start your slag off of those of other dominions of planet Earth (me n Veg), consider your lack of understanding of your own written twaddle
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 4:43 pm
I'm sorry Fishpi, but you are officially too stupid for this discussion. Go fight with Age over something, stay in your lane.
Oooh. The ultimate put down.
My simple request that from the OP as Atla pointed out - BDM is defined within it!!!
Seems ATLA is as big a FULL of SHIT (or lack of comprehension) as FLASH.
GO ON BOYS...PROVE YOURSELVES, AT LEAST ONCE..provide from the OP the definition of BDM.
PS. ya can't, because it ain't there and you are both pathetic liars..
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:38 pm
The whole OP is about BDM and explains not only what it is, but why something so simple and obvious could be important or controversial.
But lemme colour code this for the fucking stupid and we'll see if it helps...
the BDM model (there are other names such as BDI, BDR.): The Belief Desiremodel of Motivation/Reason/Intention
BUT IT AINT DEFINED IN THE OP...as per ATLA's STATEMENT - indeed NO DUCKER HAS ANY IDEA WHAT YOU MEAN BY BDM FROM THE OP - GET IT??
..I'm off to bed, when I wake up I expect a REASONABLE explanation as to why you think BELIEF, DESIRE, MOTIVATION is relational to ETHICS.
..especially in light of:
Clearly you have (Belief) and (Desire) thus (Motivated) to be totally unethical towards your treatment of me..
Your BDM is not ethical to label someone (me) as racist, fascist, a Nazi and clearly prejudice towards them (me) without any reasonable evidence..
I think he's slipping back deeper into psychosis. Aggravated, impulsive behaviour, feels threatened, aggression. More us vs them thinking. Reduced consciousness, reduced attention scope and attention span, reduced understanding of context, connections. But at least his God may become a lot more talkative soon.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:38 pm
The whole OP is about BDM and explains not only what it is, but why something so simple and obvious could be important or controversial.
But lemme colour code this for the fucking stupid and we'll see if it helps...
the BDM model (there are other names such as BDI, BDR.): The Belief Desiremodel of Motivation/Reason/Intention
BUT IT AINT DEFINED IN THE OP...as per ATLA's STATEMENT - indeed NO DUCKER HAS ANY IDEA WHAT YOU MEAN BY BDM FROM THE OP - GET IT??
..I'm off to bed, when I wake up I expect a REASONABLE explanation as to why you think BELIEF, DESIRE, MOTIVATION is relational to ETHICS.
I was quoting from the OP and simply colour coding it to help those too drunk to work out what the OP says. The OP defines BDM for those who can actually read. I am sorry if you need all your information to come in the form of a high school presentation that starts with "The Mirriam Webster Dictionary defines 'breakfast' as the first thing you eat..." but I don't really write down to that level.
Why motivation is important in ethics is blindingly obvious, because it answers the question "why should I want to do the right thing not the wrong thing?" This is also covered in the OP.
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:50 pm
I think he's slipping back deeper into psychosis. Aggravated, impulsive behaviour, feels threatened, aggression. More us vs them thinking. Reduced consciousness, reduced attention scope and attention span, reduced understanding of context, connections. But at least his God may become a lot more talkative soon.
You can see him getting worse and worse as his evening progresses. He is absolutely shit-faced.
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:50 pm
I think he's slipping back deeper into psychosis. Aggravated, impulsive behaviour, feels threatened, aggression. More us vs them thinking. Reduced consciousness, reduced attention scope and attention span, reduced understanding of context, connections. But at least his God may become a lot more talkative soon.
You can see him getting worse and worse as his evening progresses. He is absolutely shit-faced.
Why choose between being drunk and being psychotic, when you could be both.
Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:50 pm
I think he's slipping back deeper into psychosis. Aggravated, impulsive behaviour, feels threatened, aggression. More us vs them thinking. Reduced consciousness, reduced attention scope and attention span, reduced understanding of context, connections. But at least his God may become a lot more talkative soon.
You can see him getting worse and worse as his evening progresses. He is absolutely shit-faced.
Why choose between being drunk and being psychotic, when you could be both.
Honestly LMAO!!
The worst part, now that it's morning, is that they don't make cups of tea powerful enough.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 4:20 pm
The reason why a Humean type of moral explanation explains motivation so readily is because it is compatible with the BDM model (there are other names such as BDI, BDR.): The Belief Desire model of Motivation/Reason/Intention. Basically this is just the common sense, folk-psychology view of how we are motivated to do things that we believe will match our desires.
So do you believe that human desires are what our ethical considerations should consider primarily, since they are the greatest driving force?
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 4:20 pm
The reason why a Humean type of moral explanation explains motivation so readily is because it is compatible with the BDM model (there are other names such as BDI, BDR.): The Belief Desire model of Motivation/Reason/Intention. Basically this is just the common sense, folk-psychology view of how we are motivated to do things that we believe will match our desires.
So do you believe that human desires are what our ethical considerations should consider primarily, since they are the greatest driving force?
You obviously haven't read Ch2 or Ch3. Also you should be aware that I am working on a descriptive account of how moral reasoning works IRL, not (or at least not yet) some idealised perfected alternative to that.
Which menas I am only saying at this stage that the BDM model seems like a good way to explain our actions in general, and that moral beliefs fit into that without any major disruption, thus certain questions that are asked by various types of moral realist implying that without X there is no reason to do good or not do bad things don't prima-facie make much sense.
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