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Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:18 pm
by iambiguous
Astro Cat wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:36 pm
iambiguous wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:21 pm(Post)
Hey iambiguous, letting you know I’m on vacation until Wednesday so likely won’t be responding to any real degree until probably Thursday or so :)
God willing? :wink:

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:48 am
by Astro Cat
iambiguous wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:18 pm
Astro Cat wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:36 pm
iambiguous wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:21 pm(Post)
Hey iambiguous, letting you know I’m on vacation until Wednesday so likely won’t be responding to any real degree until probably Thursday or so :)
God willing? :wink:
God willing, and if my Chiefs win. As they should

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:37 am
by Age
Belinda wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:46 pm
Age wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:59 pm
Belinda wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:17 pm

Do you trust democracy to deliver justice?
No.

And, what 'justice' IS, EXACTLY, which FITS IN with what is ACTUALLY True and Right in Life, by the way, is NOT 'the justice' that most of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, think 'justice' is.
Belinda wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:17 pm Is a specific question.( Practice of democracy depends upon everybody asserting themselves.)
Okay, if you say so.
Fear shows itself in several ways. Fear of asserting anything is very boring for everyone.
WHY?

Is there some sort of rush or urgency here?

Also, are 'you', human beings, not able to find out or work out 'things' for, and by, "yourselves"?

Furthermore, compared to EVERY one it is only a very tiny and miniscule few who find the so-called 'fear of asserting' 'boring'.

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:29 am
by iambiguous
Astro Cat wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:48 am
iambiguous wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:18 pm
Astro Cat wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:36 pm

Hey iambiguous, letting you know I’m on vacation until Wednesday so likely won’t be responding to any real degree until probably Thursday or so :)
God willing? :wink:
God willing, and if my Chiefs win. As they should
On the other hand, if God is omniscient then he always knew who was going to win the Super Bowl. So, when you think about it, winning or losing is nothing to really be either proud of or ashamed of.

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:14 am
by Dontaskme
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:14 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:41 pm :lol:
Can't be bothered, DAM.
What a shameless shame you can't, Mr Can.

Your not living up to your label much are you? :o

Just admit it to your self, you do not have to show up to your own show. Just admit there is no room in here for two, and that ( I /Am ) is both the One and the other simultaneously. :D :wink:

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Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:03 pm
by Belinda
Age wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:37 am
Belinda wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:46 pm
Age wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:59 pm

No.

And, what 'justice' IS, EXACTLY, which FITS IN with what is ACTUALLY True and Right in Life, by the way, is NOT 'the justice' that most of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, think 'justice' is.


Okay, if you say so.
Fear shows itself in several ways. Fear of asserting anything is very boring for everyone.
WHY?

Is there some sort of rush or urgency here?

Also, are 'you', human beings, not able to find out or work out 'things' for, and by, "yourselves"?

Furthermore, compared to EVERY one it is only a very tiny and miniscule few who find the so-called 'fear of asserting' 'boring'.
Yes, it matters a lot that people, as many people possible, apply their minds to what is known and try their best to assert what they they think and plan is the best way forward.

It also matters that people communicate ideas with others so that people can work together.
Timidity is not an excuse.

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:02 am
by Age
Belinda wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:03 pm
Age wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:37 am
Belinda wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:46 pm

Fear shows itself in several ways. Fear of asserting anything is very boring for everyone.
WHY?

Is there some sort of rush or urgency here?

Also, are 'you', human beings, not able to find out or work out 'things' for, and by, "yourselves"?

Furthermore, compared to EVERY one it is only a very tiny and miniscule few who find the so-called 'fear of asserting' 'boring'.
Yes, it matters a lot that people, as many people possible, apply their minds to what is known and try their best to assert what they they think and plan is the best way forward.

It also matters that people communicate ideas with others so that people can work together.
Timidity is not an excuse.
I think you have MISSED or MISUNDERSTOOD the ACTUAL QUESTIONS that I posed in and asked here.

IF you think or BELIEVE that it matters a LOT that people apply "their minds" to what is KNOWN, and try their best to assert ...., then what, EXACTLY, is the 'mind', to you, anyway?

Could 'you' apply "your" so-called 'mind' here, a LOT better?

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:38 pm
by Sculptor
Astro Cat wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:48 am
iambiguous wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:18 pm
Astro Cat wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:36 pm

Hey iambiguous, letting you know I’m on vacation until Wednesday so likely won’t be responding to any real degree until probably Thursday or so :)
God willing? :wink:
God willing, and if my Chiefs win. As they should
God has got nothing to do with it.

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:43 pm
by Belinda
Age wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:02 am
Belinda wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:03 pm
Age wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:37 am

WHY?

Is there some sort of rush or urgency here?

Also, are 'you', human beings, not able to find out or work out 'things' for, and by, "yourselves"?

Furthermore, compared to EVERY one it is only a very tiny and miniscule few who find the so-called 'fear of asserting' 'boring'.
Yes, it matters a lot that people, as many people possible, apply their minds to what is known and try their best to assert what they they think and plan is the best way forward.

It also matters that people communicate ideas with others so that people can work together.
Timidity is not an excuse.
I think you have MISSED or MISUNDERSTOOD the ACTUAL QUESTIONS that I posed in and asked here.

IF you think or BELIEVE that it matters a LOT that people apply "their minds" to what is KNOWN, and try their best to assert ...., then what, EXACTLY, is the 'mind', to you, anyway?

Could 'you' apply "your" so-called 'mind' here, a LOT better?
"Apply the mind" is a colloquial expression. I can hardly believe you don't know what I mean by it.
It's very important that people think earnestly and honestly about problems that concern us all, and communicate with others.

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:38 pm
by Age
Belinda wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:43 pm
Age wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:02 am
Belinda wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:03 pm
Yes, it matters a lot that people, as many people possible, apply their minds to what is known and try their best to assert what they they think and plan is the best way forward.

It also matters that people communicate ideas with others so that people can work together.
Timidity is not an excuse.
I think you have MISSED or MISUNDERSTOOD the ACTUAL QUESTIONS that I posed in and asked here.

IF you think or BELIEVE that it matters a LOT that people apply "their minds" to what is KNOWN, and try their best to assert ...., then what, EXACTLY, is the 'mind', to you, anyway?

Could 'you' apply "your" so-called 'mind' here, a LOT better?
"Apply the mind" is a colloquial expression. I can hardly believe you don't know what I mean by it.
ONCE MORE you are MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING me here.

I NEVER even suggested that I do NOT know what you MEANT, and for you to think or BELIEVE I did is a GRAVE MISUNDERSTANDING on YOUR PART.

I have just ask you VERY CLEAR and VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTIONS, and from a VERY OPEN PERSPECTIVE. MAYBE when you STOP making these VERY Wrong ASSUMPTIONS, then you MIGHT START ANSWERING them.

I suggest ONLY LOOKING AT the ACTUAL WORDS I USE, instead of ASSUMING ANY thing AT ALL.
Belinda wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:43 pm It's very important that people think earnestly and honestly about problems that concern us all, and communicate with others.
And LOL I have done this and am doing this MORE than ANY one else here in this forum. As PROVED True by the VERY WORDS in this forum.

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am
by Belinda
Age wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:38 pm
Belinda wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:43 pm
Age wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:02 am

I think you have MISSED or MISUNDERSTOOD the ACTUAL QUESTIONS that I posed in and asked here.

IF you think or BELIEVE that it matters a LOT that people apply "their minds" to what is KNOWN, and try their best to assert ...., then what, EXACTLY, is the 'mind', to you, anyway?

Could 'you' apply "your" so-called 'mind' here, a LOT better?
"Apply the mind" is a colloquial expression. I can hardly believe you don't know what I mean by it.
ONCE MORE you are MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING me here.

I NEVER even suggested that I do NOT know what you MEANT, and for you to think or BELIEVE I did is a GRAVE MISUNDERSTANDING on YOUR PART.

I have just ask you VERY CLEAR and VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTIONS, and from a VERY OPEN PERSPECTIVE. MAYBE when you STOP making these VERY Wrong ASSUMPTIONS, then you MIGHT START ANSWERING them.

I suggest ONLY LOOKING AT the ACTUAL WORDS I USE, instead of ASSUMING ANY thing AT ALL.
Belinda wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:43 pm It's very important that people think earnestly and honestly about problems that concern us all, and communicate with others.
And LOL I have done this and am doing this MORE than ANY one else here in this forum. As PROVED True by the VERY WORDS in this forum.
Asking searching questions is very well , but only in reasonable proportion to making assertions. You don't even need to make firm claims, as suggesting some plan of attack or compliance is also helpful.

I like that you don't witter tepid platitudes.

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:13 am
by Age
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am
Age wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:38 pm
Belinda wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:43 pm
"Apply the mind" is a colloquial expression. I can hardly believe you don't know what I mean by it.
ONCE MORE you are MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING me here.

I NEVER even suggested that I do NOT know what you MEANT, and for you to think or BELIEVE I did is a GRAVE MISUNDERSTANDING on YOUR PART.

I have just ask you VERY CLEAR and VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTIONS, and from a VERY OPEN PERSPECTIVE. MAYBE when you STOP making these VERY Wrong ASSUMPTIONS, then you MIGHT START ANSWERING them.

I suggest ONLY LOOKING AT the ACTUAL WORDS I USE, instead of ASSUMING ANY thing AT ALL.
Belinda wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:43 pm It's very important that people think earnestly and honestly about problems that concern us all, and communicate with others.
And LOL I have done this and am doing this MORE than ANY one else here in this forum. As PROVED True by the VERY WORDS in this forum.
Asking searching questions is very well , but only in reasonable proportion to making assertions.
I was NOT AWARE that there actually exists a 'proportion' of 'reasonableness' to 'unreasonableness', in relation to asking 'searching/clarifying questions' and to making 'assertions'.
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am You don't even need to make firm claims, as suggesting some plan of attack or compliance is also helpful.
you speak here as though I NEVER make claims nor assertions.
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am I like that you don't witter tepid platitudes.
What do your last three words here mean, or refer to, EXACTLY?

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:22 am
by Belinda
Age wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:13 am
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am
Age wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:38 pm

ONCE MORE you are MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING me here.

I NEVER even suggested that I do NOT know what you MEANT, and for you to think or BELIEVE I did is a GRAVE MISUNDERSTANDING on YOUR PART.

I have just ask you VERY CLEAR and VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTIONS, and from a VERY OPEN PERSPECTIVE. MAYBE when you STOP making these VERY Wrong ASSUMPTIONS, then you MIGHT START ANSWERING them.

I suggest ONLY LOOKING AT the ACTUAL WORDS I USE, instead of ASSUMING ANY thing AT ALL.


And LOL I have done this and am doing this MORE than ANY one else here in this forum. As PROVED True by the VERY WORDS in this forum.
Asking searching questions is very well , but only in reasonable proportion to making assertions.
I was NOT AWARE that there actually exists a 'proportion' of 'reasonableness' to 'unreasonableness', in relation to asking 'searching/clarifying questions' and to making 'assertions'.
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am You don't even need to make firm claims, as suggesting some plan of attack or compliance is also helpful.
you speak here as though I NEVER make claims nor assertions.
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am I like that you don't witter tepid platitudes.
What do your last three words here mean, or refer to, EXACTLY?
You can look up a dictionary to find out the meanings of these three words.


The preponderance of questions in your posts adds up to lack of assertiveness. Your responses begin to be evasive.

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:07 pm
by Age
Belinda wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:22 am
Age wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:13 am
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am
Asking searching questions is very well , but only in reasonable proportion to making assertions.
I was NOT AWARE that there actually exists a 'proportion' of 'reasonableness' to 'unreasonableness', in relation to asking 'searching/clarifying questions' and to making 'assertions'.
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am You don't even need to make firm claims, as suggesting some plan of attack or compliance is also helpful.
you speak here as though I NEVER make claims nor assertions.
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:12 am I like that you don't witter tepid platitudes.
What do your last three words here mean, or refer to, EXACTLY?
You can look up a dictionary to find out the meanings of these three words.
But looking up the meanings of words in ANY dictionary will NEVER TELL me what you ACTUALLY MEAN.

Had you STILL NOT WORKED THIS OUT and REALIZED THIS Fact?
Belinda wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:22 am The preponderance of questions in your posts adds up to lack of assertiveness.
SO WHAT?

CLARITY is what I SEEK here now. NOT to be 'assertive'.

SEE, the ones who MAKE the CLAIMS are 'being assertive'. I just ask those who make CLAIMS and are 'being assertive' QUESTIONS to SEE if they ACTUALLY do KNOW what they are talking ABOUT, or NOT.

Which, some might SAY is ANOTHER FORM of ASSERTIVENESS, anyway.
Belinda wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:22 am Your responses begin to be evasive.
LOL So, to you, asking questions to obtain CLARITY is 'to be evasive'.

I will suggest, however, that NOT answering CLARIFYING QUESTIONS IS ACTUALLY 'being Truly evasive', and IS 'being evasive' IN THE EXTREME.

Re: Omniscience and omnibenevolence

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:19 am
by Dubious
Omniscience and omnibenevolence! Two of the most empty-headed concepts ever imagined.