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Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:42 amIs this like "cut and run"?

If it pleases you to think so: do.

Conscious evolution is a nonsense term. The scale at which evolution occurs is exponentially larger than the scale at which human activity can produce changes, even as we ramp up our ability to make exponential changes. Also, we don't have remotely close to the knowledge required to choose how to evolve effectively.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:02 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:33 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:20 pm ...our potential for conscious evolution is hopeless.

I'm sorry, Nick: I must have missed the expression "conscious evolution" in the passage. Maybe you'll help me out.

Conscious evolution isn't a biblical term but the idea it represents is. Consider 1 Corinthians 15. Paul describes the evolution of the natural body into the spiritual body or a higher quality of being. Natural Man doesn't understand what respect for life means. Yet It would be natural for spiritual Man

The difference, Nick, is that you suppose there IS such a thing as a spiritual man who is secular. The Bible, by contrast, refers to all such as "dead in trespasses and sins," as in Ephesians 2. It is only those who receive Christ who even have a live spiritual nature, according to Paul.

There is no "natural" evolution into the "spiritual." There is also no Christless "enlightement." That's where the Gnosticism goes wildly off the Biblical course.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:08 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:02 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:33 pm
I'm sorry, Nick: I must have missed the expression "conscious evolution" in the passage. Maybe you'll help me out.

Conscious evolution isn't a biblical term but the idea it represents is. Consider 1 Corinthians 15. Paul describes the evolution of the natural body into the spiritual body or a higher quality of being. Natural Man doesn't understand what respect for life means. Yet It would be natural for spiritual Man

The difference, Nick, is that you suppose there IS such a thing as a spiritual man who is secular. The Bible, by contrast, refers to all such as "dead in trespasses and sins," as in Ephesians 2. It is only those who receive Christ who even have a live spiritual nature, according to Paul.

Spiritual man and natural man are two different qualities of being. Spiritual man is a higher quality of being then natural man. By definition spiritual man is not secular

There is no "natural" evolution into the "spiritual." There is also no Christless "enlightement." That's where the Gnosticism goes wildly off the Biblical course.

Quite true. For natural man to consciously evolve, it needs the help of the spirit brought to Man by Jesus' life and death.

Age

So, to you, the WHOLE POINT of this thread called "Infanticide" is to SHOW and REVEAL that 'you', personally, do NOT KNOW what 'respect for life' ACTUALLY MEANS, although it is 'you' who goes on about 'respect for life' as though you DID KNOW, correct?

The purpose of philosophy isn't to argue answers but rather how to find and contemplate the essential questions. This goes against the grain for those with imagined answers and why Socrates had to be killed. The question of the thread concerns respect for life. Like Socrates I also admit that "I know nothing" concerning this great question. Yet it is possible for people including me to "understand" why we are as we are and unable to have respect for life. You prefer to argue what you believe you know and I find it more beneficial to admit I don't know.

In "Apology," Plato describes Socrates at his trial in 399 B.C.E. where Socrates tells the court how his friend Chaerephon asked the Delphic Oracle if anyone was wiser than himself. The oracle's answer — that no human was wiser than Socrates — left him bewildered, so he embarked on a quest to find someone wiser than himself in order to prove the oracle wrong.

This is what you don't appreciate. Philosophy as the love of wisdom is not about answers but the quality of questions.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:38 pm ...the spirit brought to Man by Jesus' life and death.

Except the Spirit was not "brought to Man." The Spirit is for those who love Christ.

"Man," considered as a species, is a lost cause, apart from salvation.

Interesting point to note is that our delightful resident wokies never have anything to say on these miosgynistic religioturd pervert threads that keep popping up (despite the fact that they have nothing whatsoever to do with philosophy). Why not threads on the evils of vasectomies? All those sacred sperms going to waste. Or the evils of fertility clinics, freezing and/or flushing millions of 'tiny, helpless babies' every year?
Wokies like to call themselves 'liberal' (they are not). As I keep saying, wokies and religioturds and simply two sides of the same self-righteous, hypocritical coin.
I'm pretty sure religioturd creeps like NA get a sexual kick out of my responses on their loathesome threads, hence the obsessive, OCD-like repetitiveness of them. Apparently kristian males are really into the whole 'bondage and discipline' thing. ewww

Priest paid his male sex master from collection plate

https://nypost.com/2015/12/10/priest-pa ... e-lawsuit/

No need for you to fret about going to hell NA, because it will be more like heaven to the likes of you (and you won't even need to remember your 'safe word' because you will be dead anyway )

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:59 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:38 pm ...the spirit brought to Man by Jesus' life and death.

Except the Spirit was not "brought to Man." The Spirit is for those who love Christ.

"Man," considered as a species, is a lost cause, apart from salvation.

Humanity is on the verge of verifying that religion and in this case the essence of Christianity is complimentary with science. It is far more extraordinary then just speaking of belief without understanding why we don't believe. Man is not lost. The human condition, the result of what is called original sin, has corrupted Man. Man can awaken and become normal but needs the help of the spirit. The Christ has returned to his origin.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:58 pm No need for you to fret about going to hell NA, because it will be more like heaven to the likes of you (and you won't even need to remember your 'safe word' because you will be dead anyway )

When Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what they do", no truer words were ever spoken.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:19 pm Humanity is on the verge of verifying that religion and in this case the essence of Christianity is complimentary with science.

That has never been in doubt. In fact, the scientific method was invented by a Christian. Science, as a discipline, would never have existed without the prior faith in a law-like universe, and the basis for that was faith in a rational, law-giver God.

Man is not lost.

God says he is. And unless he knows he is, he will not know salvation. People who don't believe they're sick don't seek a remedy. And people who don't know they're lost see no need for the Saviour.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:29 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:58 pm No need for you to fret about going to hell NA, because it will be more like heaven to the likes of you (and you won't even need to remember your 'safe word' because you will be dead anyway )

When Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what they do", no truer words were ever spoken.

'Forgive' for what? You're a freak. A loatheseome little hypocritical kristian creep. And you are comparing yourself to jebus now? That says it all really.
Here's something that will cheer you up.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:31 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:19 pm Humanity is on the verge of verifying that religion and in this case the essence of Christianity is complimentary with science.

That has never been in doubt. In fact, the scientific method was invented by a Christian. Science, as a discipline, would never have existed without the prior faith in a law-like universe, and the basis for that was faith in a rational, law-giver God.

Man is not lost.

God says he is. And unless he knows he is, he will not know salvation. People who don't believe they're sick don't seek a remedy. And people who don't know they're lost see no need for the Saviour.

Simone Weil has become known as the Patron Saint of the Outsiders. This means that there are a great many who have felt the depth an purpose of Christianity but doesn't find it in the corruptions of the church. These people know they are sick and starved for meaning. They need what the church as a whole doesn't offer. It isn't that they leave the church but that the church has left them. You may say that the person interested in Christianity must believe. But in realty the Christian must understand. But since we don't know what understanding means or what respect for life means, belief in idolatry means nothing.

The apostles asked Jesus to increase our faith. Apparently they didn't have it so how deep was their belief? Faith IN Christ is easy. But it is completely different than the faith OF Christ capable of a few. But who knows the difference?