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Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:08 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:58 am Sorry to chime in, but communicating with a 'you' is communicating with a concept. Concept's are all (you) aka a concept have to relate to, there is no thing else to relate to.

You are confused as usual. Is 'communication' a concept? Is it not communication that 'you' are participating in right now? What is it then

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:24 am No, the confusion was in the how the reply was interpreted to mean. There is no 'you' that can be confused. There is no 'you' to 'I' or 'I' to 'you' communication happening here, except in this known conception by the only knowing there is which is unknowable.

'You' or 'I' is a concept KNOWN...and that which is known..do not know..there is no knower.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:37 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:24 am No, the confusion was in the how the reply was interpreted to mean. There is no 'you' that can be confused. There is no 'you' to 'I' or 'I' to 'you' communication happening here, except in this known conception by the only knowing there is which is unknowable.

'You' or 'I' is a concept KNOWN...and that which is known..do not know..there is no knower.

But there is communication.

'You' are whatever it is that 'I' am communicating with.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:08 am
So, if you don't want to call it 'you', or 'mind', or 'thing' or 'phenomenon'- that's fine. But if you are communicating - there is a transmitter and a receiver. A speaker and a listener. Their roles switch throughout the game.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:42 am Yes there is communication, but it's an appearance of Consciousness, it's an experience of Consciousness, the only knowing there is.
Experience seems to be made of objects and entities but in fact is only made of Consciousness. Consciousness is not a known entity, Consciousness is the Knowing that cannot be known.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:20 pm The point is, the apparent role playing between two apparent consciousnesses is an artificial man-u-factured illusion consciousness is playing on itself.

Reality cannot be described because that would mean Reality is known by a knower. All knowledge arises from the mystery of nothingness, therefore, all descriptions of reality are fictions.

A transmitter aka (sound) and a receiver ..the (hearing of sound) are inseparably one in the moment. There is no room for a divide between the apparent two known concepts.

The speaker (sound) and a listener .. the(hearing of sound) are inseparably one in the same instant. They is no room for a divide between the apparent two known concepts.

There is no sound separate from the heard. No seen separate from the seer. Sound and hearing are instantaneously present together. Seen and seer are instantaneously present together.

TWOgetherness is an illusion ...There is only Consciousness and the contents of Consciousness inseparably ONE

There is no ONE consciousness because there is no other than ONE consciousness.

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Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:51 pm And yet I am describing it.

You and I are communicating.

Physicists define time as a measurement of energy or force in motion. In other words, it is a measurement of change. However, in order for energy to be in motion it must first be limited in some way within the confines of some sort of vibratory pattern so that its confinement gives it the capacity for being contained at a specific location which is distinguishable from other locations(space). Energy which is not confined is force without limit, without dimension, without the limits of form. It is infinity, cannot move because there is nothing beyond infinity, and is therefore outside of the dimension of time. It is also beyond space because that concept implies that a specific energy form is limited to a specific location, and is absent from other locations. But if energy is in the state of infinity, there are no boundaries, no "here" to differentiate from "there", no sense of area. Energy in infinity means energy uniformly extended without limit. It has no beginning, no end, no location. It is conscious force, the fundamental, primal power of existence without form, a state of infinite being. Energy in infinity is said to be completely at rest and, therefore, cannot generate holograms so long as it remains utterly inactive. It retains its inherent capacity for consciousness in that it can receive and passively perceive holograms generated by energy in motion out in the various dimensions which make up the created universe but it cannot be perceived by consciousness operating in the active universe.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:50 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:42 am Yes there is communication, but it's an appearance of Consciousness, it's an experience of Consciousness, the only knowing there is.
Experience seems to be made of objects and entities but in fact is only made of Consciousness. Consciousness is not a known entity, Consciousness is the Knowing that cannot be known.

I am not calling it "Consciousness" - you are doing that.

If there's "communication" then at the each end of the communication channel there's something communicating.

Energy in infinity is said to be completely at rest and, therefore, cannot generate holograms so long as it remains utterly inactive. It retains its inherent capacity for consciousness in that it can receive and passively perceive holograms generated by energy in motion out in the various dimensions which make up the created universe but it cannot be perceived by consciousness operating in the active universe.

Physicists define time as a measurement of energy or force in motion. In other words, it is a measurement of change. However, in order for energy to be in motion it must first be limited in some way within the confines of some sort of vibratory pattern so that its confinement gives it the capacity for being contained at a specific location which is distinguishable from other locations(space). Energy which is not confined is force without limit, without dimension, without the limits of form. It is infinity, cannot move because there is nothing beyond infinity, and is therefore outside of the dimension of time. It is also beyond space because that concept implies that a specific energy form is limited to a specific location, and is absent from other locations. But if energy is in the state of infinity, there are no boundaries, no "here" to differentiate from "there", no sense of area. Energy in infinity means energy uniformly extended without limit. It has no beginning, no end, no location. It is conscious force, the fundamental, primal power of existence without form, a state of infinite being.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:08 am

Energy in infinity is said to be completely at rest and, therefore, cannot generate holograms so long as it remains utterly inactive. It retains its inherent capacity for consciousness in that it can receive and passively perceive holograms generated by energy in motion out in the various dimensions which make up the created universe but it cannot be perceived by consciousness operating in the active universe.

I’ve read this excerpt about a hundred times and still have absolutely no idea what the information is attempting to say.

Follow the link - the whole document is there and should give you more clarity.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:57 am This “You” calling it Consciousness ...Is Consciousness calling itself “You” or “I Am”

The point is, can the actual original source of “knowing” be named?

If there is a “something” communicating , can this “thing”be known and by what?...this is what Nonduality is always pointing to.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:36 pm But that's just another description communicated and conceptually known by Consciousness the only knowing there is.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:08 am

Energy in infinity is said to be completely at rest and, therefore, cannot generate holograms so long as it remains utterly inactive. It retains its inherent capacity for consciousness in that it can receive and passively perceive holograms generated by energy in motion out in the various dimensions which make up the created universe but it cannot be perceived by consciousness operating in the active universe.

I’ve read this excerpt about a hundred times and still have absolutely no idea what the information is attempting to say.

27. Absolute in Perspective. It may be helpful at this point to pause and recap
the major aspects of our intellectual journey from time-space to the realm of the Absolute. We have spoken at some length concerning the incredibly complex hologram which is created by the intersection of energy patterns generated by the totality of all dimensions of the universe, time-space included. We have noted that our minds constitute energy fields which interact with various aspects of this hologram to deduce information which is ultimately processed through the left hemisphere of our brains to reduce it to a form that we employ for the process we call thinking. We have implied that this hologram is the finite embodiment in active, energy form of the infinite consciousness of the Absolute.

It is the title we assigned to that vast pool of energy in a state of perfect rest over which the physical universe is layered, and from whence it comes. Incidentally, to describe this, Bentov uses the analogy of a very deep sea, comparing the still depths of the sea to the dimension of the Absolute while assigning the storm-tossed waves above to represent the physical universe with which we are familiar.

The slightly agitated currents of the sea to be found in between the turbulent surface and the totally still depths represent energy in the process of either going into rest(i.e. approaching infinity) or coming out of rest.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:31 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:57 am This “You” calling it Consciousness ...Is Consciousness calling itself “You” or “I Am”

The point is, can the actual original source of “knowing” be named?

If there is a “something” communicating , can this “thing”be known and by what?...this is what Nonduality is always pointing to.

I don't care if it can be named. I care if it exists.

If there's communication happening then there are two communicators.